Homosexuality in Australia (5 Viewers)

[Tangent]

They could choose a heterosexual life, but I think that in most cases this wouldnt be advisable. Rather they are called to be freed from the prison of all sexuality; to engage in an intense self-discipline that results in the unique and beautiful freedom of self-mastery.

My use of the word 'permanent' was merely meant to indicate the implications of public expressions of sexuality, which most homosexuals seem to insist on (read: gay marriage). Ofc, they are not so moored to their sin if they have wisely chosen to retain their dignity and never make such dark thoughts - which they would know them to be - public.

This argument is only valid if homosexuality is a choice.

I dont see how anyone could view it as a choice, seeming the extreme pressures put on homosexuals. It is much easier being heterosexual than homosexual, so i dont see why anyone would choose to be homosexual, especially when it is considered a sin.

I do have a big problem with your definition of love.

 

[SylviaB]

lol i know ppl who wish they were straight and who try to like chicks

never works tho

 

[Iron]

I dont see how anyone could view it as a choice, seeming the extreme pressures put on homosexuals. It is much easier being heterosexual than homosexual, so i dont see why anyone would choose to be homosexual, especially when it is considered a sin.

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It seems to me that the only problem is your own moral and emotional weakness. Ok, you want to do things to other men - thanks for the message? Did I need to know? Do you feel better for telling me? Are you a happier more complete human being for getting it off your chest and shouting it to the world?

Do you also not choose to be a weakling without an ounce of self-control or self-respect? That would be so hard! Unthinkable!
lol you gays: Confess all your problems and desires to the world and insist that they be fixed and satisfied. The way of the future!

 

[Isboredofstudy]

gays are cool. Bugger this issue. The kitten on my lap is all that counts!

 

[Tangent]

It seems to me that the only problem is your own moral and emotional weakness. Ok, you want to do things to other men - thanks for the message? Did I need to know? Do you feel better for telling me? Are you a happier more complete human being for getting it off your chest and shouting it to the world?

Do you also not choose to be a weakling without an ounce of self-control or self-respect? That would be so hard! Unthinkable!
lol you gays: Confess all your problems and desires to the world and insist that they be fixed and satisfied. The way of the future!

"Do things to other men"? you make it sound like the only thing that makes up homosexuality is lust. I think lust is disgusting, and that there is something more to a homosexual relationship.
And yes i do feel better, i feel happy not having to hide a part of myself from the rest of the world. I do not shout it though, though i feel like a should because it seems that im always assumed straight until proven gay.

That being said, being homosexual, or bisexual, is not a choice. You have not provided a counter argument, i dont see how you could gain any evidence, seeming that for my side of the argument, i am a living, breathing, walking piece of it.

Wait, i dont even know why im still posting on this thread, besides wanting to make myself look like a self-righteous idiot. Spose i find it fun, i like a challenge.

 

[John McCain]

Your problem iron is you're too concerned with immoral action, where all the problems in the world are from moral inaction, moral agents who willfully spur and disdain pursuing a righteous course of action.

I don't know what harm may have been caused by liberalization of community attitudes to sexuality but the celebration of mediocrity and the collapse of the culture of achievement, replaced by a culture of entitlement in the modern west, is the greatest tragedy imo.

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

Who is to say what is moral and what isn't?

I could just as easily claim that heterosexuality is immoral, and homosexuality is the only moral choice.

You can appeal to the bible. I can appeal to The Book of Jenny from the Block, and claim that it is the true holy text. You have no way of proving that your claim is any stronger than mine.

 

[John McCain]

Who is to say what is moral and what isn't?

I could just as easily claim that heterosexuality is immoral, and homosexuality is the only moral choice.

You can appeal to the bible. I can appeal to The Book of Jenny from the Block, and claim that it is the true holy text. You have no way of proving that your claim is any stronger than mine.

The irony is that a lot of the libertarians on this board will simultanously argue morals are relative or nihilistic, no absolute morals exists (e.g. d nolan, riet).

While simultaneously denouncing cultural relativism and the practices of Islamic states, Aussie Abos, that are interpreted as abhorrent through our moral framework.

May not apply to you, apologies if so.

The value of freedom is only relative. Enslaving the negro is best for him.

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

The irony is that a lot of the libertarians on this board will simultanously argue morals are relative or nihilistic, no absolute morals exists (e.g. d nolan, riet).

While simultaneously denouncing cultural relativism and the practices of Islamic states, Aussie Abos, that are interpreted as abhorrent through our moral framework.

May not apply to you, apologies if so.

The value of freedom is only relative. Enslaving the negro is best for him.

Not really. Nolan just enjoys a bit of anti-islamic trolling. He has also been known to defend the right of the mussies to freedom of religion and free speech.

Riet is hardly a libertarian, he's really just a typical conservative maniac. I find a lot of what he says in NCAP foolish and hypocritical.

I don't denounce muslims as immoral, I denounce certain practices such as genital mutilation as really fucking obviously stupid and harmful.

It's not really a 'moral' issue at all. The only 'moral' libertarians believe in is that initiating violence is wrong. Its simple, and we apply it consistently. I'm not a utilitarian so I doesn't matter if enslaving the negro is best for him.

VIOLENCE IS WRONG. I'm not a nihilist, but I guess I sympathise because I hold so little to be morally true. Only that VIOLENCE IS WRONG.

 

[John McCain]

I guess your moral objection to violence then should be taken with no greater assuredness than my moral claim that random unprovoked violence for fun is moral.

On what ground do you reason and assure yourself that your moral claim is correct, and could you refute that my moral claim may be the correct one for certain people under certain circumstances?

 

[Iron]

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I don't know what harm may have been caused by liberalization of community attitudes to sexuality but the celebration of mediocrity and the collapse of the culture of achievement, replaced by a culture of entitlement in the modern west, is the greatest tragedy imo.

I probably agree with you. Sexual liberalization is just an extension of the flabby white culture of entitlement. Meanwhile we're blinded to the real exploitation being done to us by powerful corporations and numb to the plight of the less fortunate. Imprisoned by our own egos.
WORKBUYCONSUMEDIE

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

I guess your moral objection to violence then should be taken with no greater assuredness than my moral claim that random unprovoked violence for fun is moral.

On what ground do you reason and assure yourself that your moral claim is correct, and could you refute that my moral claim may be the correct one for certain people under certain circumstances?

You're right. At some point we have to make assumptions if we are to construct any sort of moral framework at all.

I have minimized the assumptions and value judgments made. They are based on observation of human behavior and preferences rather than some ancient text.

 

[Iron]

Yeah, ancient texts r the worst
LOLhistory

 

[Tangent]

Ancient texts are good to take into consideration, but just using one is silly. Cross reference!

+ the fact that they were written in the past means that some/most of it might be out dated, so we'd have to evaluate its relevance in todays society.

Isnt there a quote that goes "A man who cant draw upon 2000 years of experience is living from hand to mouth"? Its something like that anyway.

 

[Iron]

also old people are gross and ugly yuck!

 

[Tangent]

Iron's such a silly billy, its almost cute.
;D

 

[HumanDichotomy]

In the end, what right do we have to tell others they can't have a partner because we don't personally identify with their sexual preference? That's like telling someone they can't marry someone of a different race, or religion, simply because it doesn't sit well with our personal morals.

 

[Iron]

You still dont grasp that there's nothing personal about the criticism of homosexuality. It is repugnant on universal and objective terms. Anti-family, anti-life, anti-civilization.

 

[Iron]

You see a problem of overpopulation, where we see a problem with our use of resources. The homosexual is essentially part of a mechanism which promotes the uncompromised rape of the planet's resources, thru a highly materialistic existence which places its most cherrished values in accumulation and consumption of material goods, rather than the higher things of love, truth and beauty.

 

[John McCain]

Homosexuality
consumerism


straw man
tenuous
non-sequitur

cbf putting the other words here.