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SeCKSiiMiNh

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Lol and it doesn't?

Don't you think I might be having more fun, getting stoned out of my head and screwing myself senseless (like quite a lot of people our age are doing) than I might have reading the Bible at home? Lol, I'm only human ;)

In almost all cases, temptation is more appealing and immediately gratifying to the individual than doing what is right. Faith gives you the strength to say "no" to temptation.
So you agree with EVERYTHING the bible says? Without question? Just blind obedience?
 

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So you agree with EVERYTHING the bible says? Without question? Just blind obedience?
Lol, I wouldn't call it obedience.

Accepting God is always a choice, nobody is forced into believing.

I havn't even read everything in the Bible yet :p

Furthermore, I am incapable of following it to the dot as it were (even if I committed every waking breath to doing so), being only human, I am destined to sin and commit evil.
 

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lol so mean
lol, she was telling me how great god and jesus were... jsut after she told me her parents crashed their car (not seriously, just a little bit of damage) then i said... bad things happen to bad people right (i was only joking) XD
i didnt know she would cry :(
 
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Lol, I wouldn't call it obedience.

Accepting God is always a choice, nobody is forced into believing.

I havn't even read everything in the Bible yet :p

Furthermore, I am incapable of following it to the dot as it were (even if I committed every waking breath to doing so), being only human, I am destined to sin and commit evil.
So there's really nothing in the bible that you disagree with?
 

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Not everybody is a hedonist.
Late, I know...

But hedonist? Hedonism? Tell me your relationships with your friends aren't based on happiness. Tell me your relationships in general aren't based on happiness.

Now tell me that it isn't possible to unconditionally love someone that you have no relation to what-so-ever. Tell me that it's not possible to love someone whom you'll never have a relationship with, let alone love you.

Hm?

Edit: Hence relationships are based on happiness... Not love. Love is what love does.
 
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Oh, because he believes only non-believers need to read the whole thing. Believers can get away with not reading a word because, y'know, they have faith.
Um... because I havn't gotten around to reading all of it. I have read the majority of it.

And I never said that believers didn't have to read it and that non-believers did. Stop twisting my posts lol.

Reading the Bible isn't a requirement of faith, but thats doesn't mean you shouldn't do it...
 

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Maybe I should have clarified; what is immoral is prmoting your own agenda above your devotion to God, and the following of His rules.

As a Christian there are plenty of wholesome things to which you can devote your life (art, research and charity for example). None of these are immoral inunto themselves ofc. But the individual is doing wrong when they persue these things out of their own self interest. At all times, you should follow Gods rules and your ultimate goal should be the glorifying of God through your accomplishments and efforts.

God has made His rules for us quite clear through the scriptures.
Read our posts once more and you should really look up what the term "moral" means as it has nothing to do with God, so stop making up your own definitions as it is immoral to do so.

...for your own self-interest.
Eggsactly.
 
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I think you'll find we all just have far too much time on our hands.
 

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Lol, I wouldn't call it obedience.

Accepting God is always a choice, nobody is forced into believing.

I havn't even read everything in the Bible yet :p

Furthermore, I am incapable of following it to the dot as it were (even if I committed every waking breath to doing so), being only human, I am destined to sin and commit evil.
Exactly. Accepting God is a choice. You chose to accept him, and obviously others chose not to.

And yet, because these people did not make the same choice as you, you immediately declare them as immoral, without question.

And again, as you say, we are "destined" to sin and commit evil. The one point we are taught as a Christian is forgiveness. The ability to stand in front of them and forgive them of their wrongs. And yet you seem so incapable of this.

You quite easily let go of your own wrongs as you say, and yet, you somehow deny others of their own rights as a human for forgiveness. How is this in line with everything that you are taught?

There will always be people on either side of the line. What does that matter? We should be able to accept our commonalities and coexist peacefully. We can sit here all day and quibble, but where does that get us? It only instills anger into the other, and that is pointless.
 

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Exactly. Accepting God is a choice. You chose to accept him, and obviously others chose not to.

And yet, because these people did not make the same choice as you, you immediately declare them as immoral, without question.

And again, as you say, we are "destined" to sin and commit evil. The one point we are taught as a Christian is forgiveness. The ability to stand in front of them and forgive them of their wrongs. And yet you seem so incapable of this.

You quite easily let go of your own wrongs as you say, and yet, you somehow deny others of their own rights as a human for forgiveness. How is this in line with everything that you are taught?

There will always be people on either side of the line. What does that matter? We should be able to accept our commonalities and coexist peacefully. We can sit here all day and quibble, but where does that get us? It only instills anger into the other, and that is pointless.
I like this guy XD.
 

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Exactly. Accepting God is a choice. You chose to accept him, and obviously others chose not to.

And yet, because these people did not make the same choice as you, you immediately declare them as immoral, without question.
Without accpetance of God, the notion of morality becomes subjective and open to interpretation, it collapses upon itself.

Doesn't mean that non-religious people can't do good, but they don't do good for the right reasons. But as you say, these are my beliefs, and I am not trying to press them upon others.

And again, as you say, we are "destined" to sin and commit evil. The one point we are taught as a Christian is forgiveness. The ability to stand in front of them and forgive them of their wrongs. And yet you seem so incapable of this.
How so? I don't quite agree with you here. I don't hold anything against people who have different and even conflicting beliefs as I do, nor do I try and hold peoples misdeeds or beliefs (or lack thereof) against them.

To be forgiven (or seek forgiveness) however, one must repent, and admit their transgressions.

Whats more, I am simply another sinner, unless someone has done something against me personally (IDK steal something of mine, or assualt me etc.) they shouldn't be seeking forgiveness from me. Redemtion is found through Christ.

You quite easily let go of your own wrongs as you say, and yet, you somehow deny others of their own rights as a human for forgiveness. How is this in line with everything that you are taught?
I disagree. I don't let go of my wrongs at all. I believe I am as much a force of evil in this world as any other person. Simply because I am Christian does not put me in a seperate category to you or anyone else.

What it does mean however, is that I accept my imperfections for what they are, and do not take pride in sin, nor do I choose to sin unless overcome by my temptations (which I try to resist ofc).

There will always be people on either side of the line. What does that matter? We should be able to accept our commonalities and coexist peacefully. We can sit here all day and quibble, but where does that get us? It only instills anger into the other, and that is pointless.
Disagreement does not necesarily lead to animosity. People can disagree, and even argue vehmently with each other, but still respect each others beliefs. I'm not trying to stir trouble, if that is what you're implying (I don't think it is, but it might be).

Besides, everyone loves a good debate :)
 

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