Juliar betrays australia, destroys our economic future (5 Viewers)

[Lentern]

isn't he even worse?

Nobody really knows, he never really says much except "meugh depression."

But nah Robb is generally seen to be closer to the moderate wing of the party than the dry's, his infamous showdown with Turnbull was more about Turnbull's style of leadership than the ets itself. Supposedly the votes among the backbenches were close to even and then Turnbull just announced that everyone in shadow cabinet was supporting it and therefore they had the numbers, even though a lot of people, obviously Minchin, Abetz, Mirrabell and Dutton to name a few, were downright opposed to it.

 

[zstar]

Words cannot describe my disgust and hatred i have for this party.

It is virtually impossible to live comfortably even if you worked 2 jobs.

Politicians like Gillard are slime balls that appeal to those who have never known a day of struggle in their lives.

 

[Lentern]

Words cannot describe my disgust and hatred i have for this party.

It is virtually impossible to live comfortably even if you worked 2 jobs.

Politicians like Gillard are slime balls that appeal to those who have never known a day of struggle in their lives.

Aussie battlers with dere Iphone 4's and dere widescreen tv's.

 

[dest]

Anyone who opposes carbon tax is fucked in the head

 

[Azure]

Yes stuff freedom. Why should people be able to spend their own money in whatever way they see fit when Viceroy Gillard has a grand wealth redistribution scheme she wants us to partake in (before you start I am not advocating a welfare state)

 

[qawe]

Anyone who opposes carbon tax is fucked in the head

what are the points supporting it? so you can sleep better at night?

 

[qawe]

Aussie battlers with dere Iphone 4's and dere widescreen tv's.

yes, they battled in order to achieve this.

 

[Azure]

what are the points supporting it? so you can sleep better at night?

Why would you sleep better at night knowing this tax is going to achieve absolutely nothing tangible in an environmental sense, while contributing to already rising cost of living pressures. I don't get it, what is it with this country and taxes? It floods so let's punish the people by taxing them because as a government we are too irresponsible to put aside adequate funds to deal with disasters like this (which are nothing new). Mining industry is making a pretty penny, oh let's tax them (again). How dare they make the most of capitalism! Global warming/climate change/global cooling? Never fear, taxation will solve our problems because Australia is the only country on earth and polluters can't just go overseas or pass on the costs to normal people.

Heil the Gillard Corporation.

 

[Azure]

Lol sounds like I'm attacking you. I'm not, just agreeing with your point.

 

[Lentern]

what are the points supporting it? so you can sleep better at night?

To curb the impacts of the greatest threat to our future livelihood that currently exists. You people are in a state of comic denial about this, if significant reductions in carbon emmisions are not achieved the economic impact on our future will be catastrophic. Yes , the crisis can't be fully averted without some fair dinkum efforts from the US and the other major developed countries but every step will help and if less countries sign up then that will only compound the extent of our personal impact. And here we have a mechanism that will have a negligible impact on economic growth which will achieve these proposed emmisions cuts, and you pathetic little political mongrels are kicking up a stink about it because of a personal dislike for Julia Gillard.

 

[qawe]

To curb the impacts of the greatest threat to our future livelihood that currently exists. You people are in a state of comic denial about this, if significant reductions in carbon emmisions are not achieved the economic impact on our future will be catastrophic. Yes , the crisis can't be fully averted without some fair dinkum efforts from the US and the other major developed countries but every step will help and if less countries sign up then that will only compound the extent of our personal impact. And here we have a mechanism that will have a negligible impact on economic growth which will achieve these proposed emmisions cuts, and you pathetic little political mongrels are kicking up a stink about it because of a personal dislike for Julia Gillard.

1) the carbon tax wont do this
2) you forgot china and india; the crisis cant be averted at all if the us, china and india dont take part
3) noone cares about what australia does, this wont convince any big emitter (or small emitter) to join any scheme, the only way to do this is a signed global treaty where everyone agrees to cut emissions at the same time. evidence: did gillard start this scheme because of other countries, no!

 

[qawe]

Lol sounds like I'm attacking you. I'm not, just agreeing with your point.

understood!
however they could have said that "its our moral duty to do our bit, regardless of what everyone else does... other wise our green god will send us to green hell!"
im not against us being average in terms of what other countries are doing, so we are not embarrassed on the international stage, but what's the point of being "world leaders" as gillard puts it, in cutting emissions = crippling our economy

 

[Lentern]

1) the carbon tax wont do this
2) you forgot china and india; the crisis cant be averted at all if the us, china and india dont take part
3) noone cares about what australia does, this wont convince any big emitter (or small emitter) to join any scheme, the only way to do this is a signed global treaty where everyone agrees to cut emissions at the same time. evidence: did gillard start this scheme because of other countries, no!

1) There is no carbon tax, there is an ETS and it will do it
2) In the first instance India already has a carbon tax and China has one scheduled for implementation by the end of 2013. Despite this it is not fair to expect developing nations to reduce their carbon emmisions, restrict the extent of the growth? Of course but actual reduction is asking them to take on a ridiculous burden, the sacrifices their emmisions reductions schemes entail absolutely shames and embarrasses our pissy little thing. The developed nations need to cop the brunt of this burden and your spoilt toddler cries of "can't someone else do it" are absolutely pathetic.
3) Absolute rubbish, every reduction will make a difference, if less countries are participating than all the more significant the impact of our actions are.

 

[Lentern]

understood!
however they could have said that "its our moral duty to do our bit, regardless of what everyone else does... other wise our green god will send us to green hell!"
im not against us being average in terms of what other countries are doing, so we are not embarrassed on the international stage, but what's the point of being "world leaders" as gillard puts it, in cutting emissions = crippling our economy

Crippling the economy, you are such a pathetic liar.

What am I doing, I am arguing with someone who says he trusts "journalists" of the Murdoch press over scientists.

 

[qawe]

Crippling the economy, you are such a pathetic liar.

What am I doing, I am arguing with someone who says he trusts "journalists" of the Murdoch press over scientists.

i thought we couldnt do this to china and india

 

[Azure]

1) There is no carbon tax, there is an ETS and it will do it

No, there will be an ETS. There will first be a carbon tax and no amount of spin is going to change this fundamental fact. Anybody who suggests otherwise either lacks understanding in basic economics or is simply being deceptive.

 

[qawe]

Crippling the economy, you are such a pathetic liar.

What am I doing, I am arguing with someone who says he trusts "journalists" of the Murdoch press over scientists.

yes. i trust journos at journalism and scientists in science. wierd isnt it?

1) There is no carbon tax, there is an ETS and it will do it
2) In the first instance India already has a carbon tax and China has one scheduled for implementation by the end of 2013. Despite this it is not fair to expect developing nations to reduce their carbon emmisions, restrict the extent of the growth? Of course but actual reduction is asking them to take on a ridiculous burden, the sacrifices their emmisions reductions schemes entail absolutely shames and embarrasses our pissy little thing. The developed nations need to cop the brunt of this burden and your spoilt toddler cries of "can't someone else do it" are absolutely pathetic.
3) Absolute rubbish, every reduction will make a difference, if less countries are participating than all the more significant the impact of our actions are.

will the carbon tax really help global warming. no, because we will actually increase our emissions rather than decrease them. i know this is not taking into account growth, but that makes no difference on the ground (eg risding sea levels

Crippling the economy, you are such a pathetic liar.

What am I doing, I am arguing with someone who says he trusts "journalists" of the Murdoch press over scientists.

it would cripple the economy if we were to actually reduce our emissions (withouht taking natural growth into account)

1) There is no carbon tax, there is an ETS and it will do it
2) In the first instance India already has a carbon tax and China has one scheduled for implementation by the end of 2013. Despite this it is not fair to expect developing nations to reduce their carbon emmisions, restrict the extent of the growth? Of course but actual reduction is asking them to take on a ridiculous burden, the sacrifices their emmisions reductions schemes entail absolutely shames and embarrasses our pissy little thing. The developed nations need to cop the brunt of this burden and your spoilt toddler cries of "can't someone else do it" are absolutely pathetic.
3) Absolute rubbish, every reduction will make a difference, if less countries are participating than all the more significant the impact of our actions are.

im not suggesting that, we should do it all at the same time

1) There is no carbon tax, there is an ETS and it will do it
2) In the first instance India already has a carbon tax and China has one scheduled for implementation by the end of 2013. Despite this it is not fair to expect developing nations to reduce their carbon emmisions, restrict the extent of the growth? Of course but actual reduction is asking them to take on a ridiculous burden, the sacrifices their emmisions reductions schemes entail absolutely shames and embarrasses our pissy little thing. The developed nations need to cop the brunt of this burden and your spoilt toddler cries of "can't someone else do it" are absolutely pathetic.
3) Absolute rubbish, every reduction will make a difference, if less countries are participating than all the more significant the impact of our actions are.

our reduction will make no tangible difference
3) it makes a lot more sense for a global agreement. rather than hoping countries will pay attention to australia. They wont
evidence: did julia gillard take what other countries were doing into account when deciding to introduce a [whatever you want to call it]
and thus the only way is for a global agreement

 

[Lentern]

No, there will be an ETS. There will first be a carbon tax and no amount of spin is going to change this fundamental fact. Anybody who suggests otherwise either lacks understanding in basic economics or is simply being deceptive.

Do you know what an emmisions trading scheme is? I have written many times clear, cogent explanations as to the difference between this scheme and a "carbon tax" and you have repeatedly ignored them then pop up every now and again with a lazy line like this. Get it together.

 

[Lentern]

will the carbon tax really help global warming. no, because we will actually increase our emissions rather than decrease them. i know this is not taking into account growth, but that makes no difference on the ground (eg risding sea levels

How would you know what will impact global warming when you don't believe in reading reported science?

Edit Condense your answers into something loosely coherent and i'll reply to it.

 

[Azure]

Do you know what an emmisions trading scheme is? I have written many times clear, cogent explanations as to the difference between this scheme and a "carbon tax" and you have repeatedly ignored them then pop up every now and again with a lazy line like this. Get it together.

Do you understand basic economics? I would much rather argue on the merits of the tax rather than on something that literally doesn't require any debate.

A flat charge of $23 per tonne of emissions will be levied on the top polluters. It is designed to change energy use and encourage investment in clean energy sources such as solar, gas and wind. In 2015, the tax will be replaced with a market-driven system, referred to as an Emissions Trading Scheme.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...x-explained-20110709-1h7tg.html#ixzz1euSGzA32

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