Staying a virgin until marriage (guys) (3 Viewers)

[Arcorn]

Checkmate Christians.

 

[thrillkiller]

If they were right then they shouldn't have had to be changed and you would still follow them.

just because theyve changed doesnt mean theyre wrong. so every change that has taken place throughout history has been because the previous way of doing things was wrong? no, the new way is just better

 

[Shadowdude]

Oh come on, we have to remember there are very smart people in the world who are Christians - and surely, if a bunch of teenagers could figure out such a basic flaw in their reasoning, then these very smart people would've seen it ages ago.

Obviously there's a deeper explanation we're all missing.

I, for one, am intrigued on how Islamic people can believe that Jesus was not crucified - even though it was drilled into me that his crucifixion was a major world event. And yet you have quite intelligent people who are Muslim, and yet don't believe this apparently 'fundamental historical fact' for some reason.

So who knows.

 

[thrillkiller]

Oh come on, we have to remember there are very smart people in the world who are Christians - and surely, if a bunch of teenagers could figure out such a basic flaw in their reasoning, then these very smart people would've seen it ages ago.

Obviously there's a deeper explanation we're all missing.

I, for one, am intrigued on how Islamic people can believe that Jesus was not crucified - even though it was drilled into me that his crucifixion was a major world event. And yet you have quite intelligent people who are Muslim, and yet don't believe this apparently 'fundamental historical fact' for some reason.

So who knows.

i dont understand what youre trying to say?

 

[Arcorn]

Oh come on, we have to remember there are very smart people in the world who are Christians - and surely, if a bunch of teenagers could figure out such a basic flaw in their reasoning, then these very smart people would've seen it ages ago.

Obviously there's a deeper explanation we're all missing.

I, for one, am intrigued on how Islamic people can believe that Jesus was not crucified - even though it was drilled into me that his crucifixion was a major world event. And yet you have quite intelligent people who are Muslim, and yet don't believe this apparently 'fundamental historical fact' for some reason.

So who knows.

Because none of the Roman historians living around the time wrote of the fact and the only evidence is a book full of circular logic.

 

[Riproot]

just because theyve changed doesnt mean theyre wrong. so every change that has taken place throughout history has been because the previous way of doing things was wrong? no, the new way is just better

Well if they aren't wrong then why are you ignoring them?
Previous ways of doing things weren't as efficient as they are now.
But a perfect, all-knowing God wouldn't have to change, he would've had the perfect guidelines to begin with.
The reason things change over time in the world is because nothing in the world is perfect, but God is meant to transcend that, but I guess this is just more evidence as to why God doesn't exist. (at least a Christian one)

Oh come on, we have to remember there are very smart people in the world who are Christians - and surely, if a bunch of teenagers could figure out such a basic flaw in their reasoning, then these very smart people would've seen it ages ago.

Obviously there's a deeper explanation we're all missing.

I, for one, am intrigued on how Islamic people can believe that Jesus was not crucified - even though it was drilled into me that his crucifixion was a major world event. And yet you have quite intelligent people who are Muslim, and yet don't believe this apparently 'fundamental historical fact' for some reason.

So who knows.

Christians and Islams blind themselves with faith.
It's much easier to see a problem from the outside of the situation.

 

[Shadowdude]

Because none of the Roman historians living around the time wrote of the fact and the only evidence is a book full of circular logic.

Are you sure about that? I don't think that can be right - considering pretty much all of the world except Muslims agree that Jesus was crucified. Surely it wouldn't appear in say.. my history textbook if the source was the Bible.

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i dont understand what youre trying to say?

Christians and Islams blind themselves with faith.
It's much easier to see a problem from the outside of the situation.

That doesn't explain why scientists can be Christian too. These are people fully engrained in logic skills, you can't say, "Oh okay but now it comes to faith so all logic is thrown out the window".

 

[Arcorn]

Are you sure about that? I don't think that can be right - considering pretty much all of the world except Muslims agree that Jesus was crucified. Surely it wouldn't appear in say.. my history textbook if the source was the Bible.

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That doesn't explain why scientists can be Christian too. These are people fully engrained in logic skills, you can't say, "Oh okay but now it comes to faith so all logic is thrown out the window".

Dude, even high school history teaches us this basic fact. It isn't in fucking textbooks because it only has the bible as its source. Fuck me.

 

[Riproot]

That doesn't explain why scientists can be Christian too. These are people fully engrained in logic skills, you can't say, "Oh okay but now it comes to faith so all logic is thrown out the window".

Yes it does.
People who think they have "logic skills" can be blinded by faith too. Have you not met people like this before?
Well, obviously it is thrown out the window, that's usually the christian argument.

 

[Shadowdude]

Dude, even high school history teaches us this basic fact. It isn't in fucking textbooks because it only has the bible as its source. Fuck me.

Read the Wikipedia article, there are other non-Biblical sources.

Yes it does.
People who think they have "logic skills" can be blinded by faith too. Have you not met people like this before?
Well, obviously it is thrown out the window, that's usually the christian argument.

There are what... a billion Christians, you'd think some of the smarter ones would be swayed by logic. I just find it hard to believe they'll get stubborn when logic is shoved in their faces.

I'm sure some of them are like that though.

 

[Riproot]

Read the Wikipedia article, there are other non-Biblical sources.

There are what... a billion Christians, you'd think some of the smarter ones would be swayed by logic. I just find it hard to believe they'll get stubborn when logic is shoved in their faces.

I'm sure some of them are like that though.

Wikipedia.

Did you just make that number up?
Yes, they are, that's why atheism is growing faster than any religion in the world.

 

[Arcorn]

Read the Wikipedia article, there are other non-Biblical sources.



There are what... a billion Christians, you'd think some of the smarter ones would be swayed by logic. I just find it hard to believe they'll get stubborn when logic is shoved in their faces.

I'm sure some of them are like that though.

If you actually read them, they are brief extracts most of which are discarded by real historians and not the ones trying to find Christ in everything

 

[Shadowdude]

Wikipedia has links you can click to external sources. Plus quotes, which you can check for yourself.

And that number comes from a figure I read in the World Almanac.

Also apparently Islam is the fastest rising religion in the world, which confuses me completely.

 

[Shadowdude]

If you actually read them, they are brief extracts most of which are discarded by real historians and not the ones trying to find Christ in everything

That is true, but we do have this: "In opposition to the vast majority of Biblical and mainstream scholarship, Muslims maintain that Jesus was not crucified"

So there is obviously texts out there - "mainstream scholarship" - that reference it. Now I don't know where they are, I'd assume in libraries or stuff.

 

[Arcorn]

And wouldn't you have thought they would have mentioned something other than just the execution of Christus? You wouldn't think that they would have maybe noted the so called miracles Jesus performed?

 

[Arcorn]

That is true, but we do have this: "In opposition to the vast majority of Biblical and mainstream scholarship, Muslims maintain that Jesus was not crucified"

So there is obviously texts out there - "mainstream scholarship" - that reference it. Now I don't know where they are, I'd assume in libraries or stuff.

You're quoting Wikipedia. Quote some fucking non-Christian historians then I'll listen.

 

[thrillkiller]

Wikipedia.

Did you just make that number up?
Yes, they are, that's why atheism is growing faster than any religion in the world.

yeh and look at the state of the world today

And wouldn't you have thought they would have mentioned something other than just the execution of Christus? You wouldn't think that they would have maybe noted the so called miracles Jesus performed?

what are u on about?

 

[Shadowdude]

Well, we have to remember it was 2000 years ago and only fragments of stuff could still be intact today. I'm sure there are documents around that document Jesus' miracles... but perhaps they were destroyed by time.

 

[Shadowdude]

You're quoting Wikipedia. Quote some fucking non-Christian historians then I'll listen.

I'm not a historian. But I think if you do a quick Google search, you'll find what I mean. Or, you can go talk to your history teacher at school or uni. They'll tell you or recommend you stuff.

 

[freddie_mercury]

Oh come on, we have to remember there are very smart people in the world who are Christians - and surely, if a bunch of teenagers could figure out such a basic flaw in their reasoning, then these very smart people would've seen it ages ago.

Obviously there's a deeper explanation we're all missing.

I, for one, am intrigued on how Islamic people can believe that Jesus was not crucified - even though it was drilled into me that his crucifixion was a major world event. And yet you have quite intelligent people who are Muslim, and yet don't believe this apparently 'fundamental historical fact' for some reason.

So who knows.

are you retarded (dont answer this)