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Oh dear proverbial God, this thread is really starting to get out of hand. If there's anything I've learnt from this, its that you should never argue with a fundamentalist. The Eagle456840, what exactly about evolution do you disagree with? Evolution does not seek to radically change a species...

Really? Well I guess if you really wanted to knock yourself out...

We don't have control over activity of the earth, or the rest of the universe for that matter. We can't control when an earthquake or tsunami happens. There won't be anything that we can do when the sun eventually collapses onto itself and burns up the inner solar system in several billion...

Here we go again with the holier-than-thou-ness... Come on people, they're not THAT bad. At least we're not dealing with cultists, here :).

I do my best to not be apathetic, but sometimes, you can't help it. Depressive apathy is of no utlity of all, if you ask me. "It's not that I'm apathetic... I just don't care!"

I didn't say that we don't have free will. I'm saying that we are influenced by our surroundings to a certain degree, and that's just the way we are. There are some things that will always be beyond our control. But the for the things that we do have control over, we should make the best out of...

"No man is an island" - John Donne. We will never have complete free will. It is in our nature as humans to be influenced by our surrondings, and there is nothing that we can do to escape it. Just what does salvation seek to absolve, anyway?

But then what exactly do we mean by 'wicked'? Those who have been 'led astray' by becoming godless? Or is there more to it than that? Label jars, not people.

Oh dear. That just reminded me of the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

But then those who do believe will argue that all this is based on faith, and the only thing you can do is accept it as truth, even if there isn't any evidence. To be honest, I really don't know where I stand on this whole religion debate. Something tells me I should have faith, but at the same...

Someone once told me that when we acknowledge the limitations of the models we call Science and Religion, we acknowledge the limitations of humanity. Science and Religion are models that we (yes, we, as in humanity) use to explain the world. They will never be perfect, and I don't think they...

Hmm.... I don't know... It's just that some Christians I know have that holier-than-thou persona and it really annoys me. I know not all of them are like that, and I really shouldn't generalise, but its those fundamentalists that severely put me off, you know?

You know, that's what I thought too... When people say: 'Oh no, you're not Christian, you're going to hell!' I can't help but think, do they really have good intentions, or is this some kind of holier-than-thou attitude they're trying to throw at me?

So from a Christian point of view, everyone who is not Christian is going to hell, and therefore needs to be saved? Do they really hope to convert every non-Christian before the end of the world? To me, that sounds a bit impractical, but then again, who am I to be questioning what someone...

... Carrying brooms...? Now I've heard everything! Well I'd just let them carry their broom around. But does anyone really, honestly, give a hey about what happens to them? Sure, you'd be concerned about them for a while, but would you really worry yourself over it? Most of the time, it...

What do you mean by things that you think that are damaging them?

Exactly. If someone tried to tell me that the sky was actually green, and that we're all just colourblind, I'd back off, but I wouldn't tell them off for it. I'd just let them live in their little happy green sky world.

Yeah, I know. :) But when someone talks about religion, I do my best to respect their beliefs. If they want to believe in whatever they believe in, well that's up to them.

Obligatory Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy reference: Sorry. I couldn't help myself. :D

You should really watch what you say, lest you get yourself bombed. But do you at least have some kind of respect for those of the Islamic religion? I mean, I don't follow any religions, but that doesn't mean I hate them or whatever.