Jobs in Australia (1 Viewer)

[Pharaohsam]

i was just wondering about the state of the IT industry in Australia. I know quite a few people moving to the UK for work in the IT ndustry caus ethye can't find anything here.

Are the job prospects getting worse in IT in australia???

 

[treelovinhippie]

I think the IT industry is just being choked with so many people wanting to get into it. I think it'd be worth going into the industry if you can specialise in a new area which is in high demand (cannot think of any examples atm )

For instance it'd be very hard to start-up a general computer business with the intent of using it as your sole income.

Though in saying that, I have recently (well still sort of in the process of) starting up my own general computer home-based business while doing my hsc this year. I was motivated to startup when I realised how much the local stores are actually ripping everyone of down here (4 hours south of sydney). However, I intend to run the business as an off-side thing in any spare time I can find.

So yeah, I'm not completely sure as to the job prospects in the IT industry, but I'm under the impression that there's just been too much of an influx of people into it.

 

[HellVeN]

Yeah but what about people that have, say, a computer science or engineering degree? How easy/hard is it to find a job with that? How about people that are specialised? Where is the money nowadays?

 

[klh]

if this has been posted before anywhere else, im sorry but here goes:
stuff about IT jobs now http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/528F323BC6432035CA256FA5001AC4EA

hope this helps.

 

[LeftrightOut]

You'll find a job if you really want one. To really want a job you would be willing to move to some small country town to find a cushy job if the opportunity presents itself If you are not willing to move to a far flung place but prefer a big city well then you don't really *want* a job you would *like* a job

That's my view on the job situation.

 

[copious]

People have the misconception that all IT jobs are network admins, or web designers or code monkeys. There are other jobs out there which you dont see on seek , my career etc. Take a look at graduate programs and you'll find they dont look for your admins, coders etc only, they are after analysts, data miners, consultants and the like. Judging by the increase of grad intakes these last 2 years, its fair to say the chances of grads getting a job is better than that of say 2 or 3 years ago.

 

[hamsterMan]

i dont no whats better

 

[§eraphim]

a lot of IT ppl seem to move into finance. eg quant, data miner, etc

 

[doe]

.net getting you $115k is bullshit. the money is overseas unless you're really good, but thats true with most fields, not just IT. the exceptions would be perhaps mining (its big in au, but not really for IT), and in IT perhaps in sales.

theres lots of shit jobs in IT, if you have a degree you'll be able to avoid them mostly.

pick what you want to do, admin or development. take the first relevant job you can get (so if you want to be an admin dont take development jobs, if you want to be a developer dont take admin jobs) otherwise you get pigeonholed. if you have a degree dont do support, unless its while you get your degree, even then you might end up staying in support cause its easier than starting afresh. out of uni you should take the first relevant job you get, expect around $35k - $40k, and use it to build up your experience. you're not going to walk out of uni into a dream job, just use each job as a stepping stone, and make sure it gets you closer to where you want to be (i.e. your ideal admin or development position).

dont choose a career on what pays the most and/or whats hot. seriously. shit changes too fast, and its unrealistic to expect your career to focus on one given technology. .net/j2ee may be the bees knees now, and it wont be going away anywhere soon, but in 5 years the next whizbang language will be out and everyone will be switching to that.

recruiters are the scum of the fucking earth not, as the apc mag article put it "the backbone of IT employment". if i had to think of one reason why IT was in the woeful state it is today, recruiters would be top of the list.

anyway, theres plenty of work for good people. just make sure you're one of the good people, and get some experience.

 

[adsta]

I agree with what doe said

 

[Dingo2004]

there seems to be an increase in IT jobs..

from looking at seek.com.au IT now has the most job ads.. with accounting being the 2nd most..

 

[zstar]

Start off small then move to something big, Don't assume that just because you have a degree from some top university that you'll get the job you want, IT doesn't roll like that.

Experience is what employees look for and also right now they look for people that specialise in certain areas that most IT people don't have so that could be useful.

Alot of jobs can found in the hidden market so you could try cold canvassing and ask companies where their IT department is located or through your network of friends, family, teachers etc.

Or you can do what i plan to do and go overseas if you want to take the plunge but otherwise IT requires patience and the industry is showing good signs of recovery.

 

[Mejc]

If you're a good developer with good industry experience you can make 6 figures easily, the contractors at my org make around 220-240K gross

 

[Redwan]

move overseas if you want the best.

 

[pyko]

hmm, well atm i'm doing BIT Coop at UNSW and our sponsoring companies are definitely out there grabbing graduates

iirc, deloitte and accenture came to unsw to talk about possible job opportunities, and in those talks they mentioned that ppl have the wrong view of IT/jobs (ppl still think it is the state of the dot com bust despite it being quite some time ago)...which means less ppl are going into uni doing IT related stuff while jobs demands are rising...so it means there is a big shortage of ppls which is good news for us

and right now i'm on an industry placement (part of my program) and i can tell you, within the last 6mths or so the company i'm working at has hired 11 new developers/business analysts and are still looking at hiring more

 

[mriethmu]

Well the web is booming, and it isn't going to recede any time soon. EVERYTHING will eventually move online, so that part of the industry is growing rapidly.

There are tonnes of jobs in IT. There is currently a growing demand for Web developers with .NET experience, as the web grows, data centers will grow meaning more IT jobs again. Its up and down with IT, theres a shortage, so they get more people into Uni's to study IT, those people finish and that shortage is met, less jobs so less people start doing it at uni, then theres a shortage again so they get more people into Uni's to study IT...the cycle goes on and on.

People aren't moving to the UK because they can't get a job here, theyre moving to the UK because of the rediculous salaries that IT people are being paid over there. They have a massive shortage over there, meaning they will pay more. Eventually that will also plateau.

 

[Slidey]

I think people need to distinguish IT job, programming job, managerial job.

Software engineers are likely to get programming and managerial jobs (the highest paid types of jobs, and also the most sought after), whilst those without a degree, those with TAFE certs, or those who do BIT or Digital Media at uni are more likely to get IT jobs (can still pay very well, but on average the demand and pay is less)

 

[MaNiElla]

I think people need to distinguish IT job, programming job, managerial job.

Software engineers are likely to get programming and managerial jobs (the highest paid types of jobs, and also the most sought after), whilst those without a degree, those with TAFE certs, or those who do BIT or Digital Media at uni are more likely to get IT jobs (can still pay very well, but on average the demand and pay is less)

Interesting... im only worried that working in that field is going to be boring, and im personally not sure of what i want to work as when i graduate. Im majoring in software development, but i really dont enjoy it that much, and im worried about job opportunities and stuff :/
Can software developers also be able to get some sort of managerial job? im more interested in that then programming. I know a few who graduated fom this field, and got programming jobs :S

 

[Hakz]

Interesting... im only worried that working in that field is going to be boring, and im personally not sure of what i want to work as when i graduate. Im majoring in software development, but i really dont enjoy it that much, and im worried about job opportunities and stuff :/
Can software developers also be able to get some sort of managerial job? im more interested in that then programming. I know a few who graduated fom this field, and got programming jobs :S

u shouldve done information tech or either information systems, then u can become business analyst and in the future project managers. But u can do a double major with comp sci, which u can pick management, ecommerce etc.

 

[MaNiElla]

u shouldve done information tech or either information systems, then u can become business analyst and in the future project managers. But u can do a double major with comp sci, which u can pick management, ecommerce etc.

Yeah, most of my electives were management subjects, and e-business/ecommerce subject. Im planning to maybe do some sort of business course or business related masters degree, or something.

Thanks Hakz