some questions about medicine (1 Viewer)

[complex]

iv been looking around on the forums and iv got some questions.

basically this is my understanding, you do a 3 year bachelor course, then you do you GAMSAT and apply to usyd postgrad medicine, if you are accepted you do 5 years there... then you become a doctor? is that it? while you do your course i assume you specialize in certain areas and things.

iv read that the medical science course is a provisial course into post grad medicine, i read somewhere that you needed a 99.95 uai or something?

can someone enlighten me on this topic?

also, say i want to go to american to study medicine, would my degree carry into australia/other countries? could i practice with an american degree in australia, or an australian degree in america?

what kind of jobs are you looking at after you finish up your post grad medicine? do you work in a hospital as a doc/researcher? how does researching work, do you need to open your own place up to do that?


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[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Usyd is 4 yrs
the MBBS program makes u a medical practitioner(aka medical 'doctor')...
you start as interns then junior medical officers..

to specialise u need to work more and train more.. and gain fellowships..from 3 to 8 yrs of further training (incl GP)
http://www.racgp.org.au/ -GP
http://www.surgeons.org/ - surgeon
http://www.racp.edu.au/ -physician

yes see the UAC book.. about Usyd Prov Medicine.. u can do BMedSc or BAdvSc

you need professional local licencing to practice anywhere around the world.

.. in the US u sit the USMLE (for all local and intl graduates)
.. in Australia its the AMC Accreditation...(locals i.e Aust+ NZ degrees are automatic.. but US + other degrees you have to sit an exam) http://www.amc.org.au/

.. in Canada u sit another exam
...in the UK u sit another exam etc

the australian MBBS is recognised as MD (USA) eqv for the sake of registration in the US.

the US MD is recognised as MBBS eqv in australia.

you work in a hospital till u get a fellowship then it depends what ure specialty is.. basically expect to become a GP.. up to 60% of medical graduates do

for research, u need backers.. companies, govts etc.. so u work in hospitals or research institutions.. if u can fund ure self u must be rich..

note....
MD = Medical doctorate
MBBS = Medical bachelor, surgery bachelors = BMed
US= USA = "America" (if u want to practise in mexico thats another ball game)

 

[haque]

Hmm, say we were to join a research institute, we could still practice as a doctor and do research at the same time couldn't we? Also it would be possible to train to become a specialist and be part of a research institute from usyd say?Thanx in advanced

 

[nit]

Yep, the usyd combined science medicine course is geared (amongst other things) towards producing graduate doctors who will end up balancing research with clinical duties (so-called academic clinicians or clinician scientists). Attempting fellowship exams while practising medicine and conducting research would be a bit hectic and unrealistic, I'm guessing. But it's certainly possibly after this.

 

[complex]

do i need a real interest in helping people? im just interested in the science but i wouldnt mind helping people either.

what kind of UAI do i need to get into it?

 

[rstretch]

You will need a minimum UAI of 99.95. It also needs to be your first preference. If you get the UAI they will call you and offer you an interview.

The interview, in my opinion, serves two relatively simple purposes. The first is to ensure that you are capable of communicating with people. The second is to ensure you understand WHY doing a science / MMBS degree is so valuable: because it enables one to operate as the link between scientific research/development and the needs of doctors - ie, it has the potential to make tangible improvements to the way we treat people.

What I'd like to know nit, is how many (if any) medical subjects you do in your first 3 years? There is so little information about this course. I start the course in 2 months and I don't feel I know enough about it!

 

[Templar]

I don't think there's any med subjects (apart from those eligible to science anyway) that they take, apart from those 0cp compulsory ones (*cough* ethics *cough*).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[complex]

99.95... wtf?

are you serious? is this for the provisional entry? you dont need to do that though, right? you can do a bachelor in advanced science then apply to post grad medicine with your gamsat results? can i get a link to the MBBS thing? cant find it on the usyd site.

 

[haque]

Yep, the usyd combined science medicine course is geared (amongst other things) towards producing graduate doctors who will end up balancing research with clinical duties (so-called academic clinicians or clinician scientists). Attempting fellowship exams while practising medicine and conducting research would be a bit hectic and unrealistic, I'm guessing. But it's certainly possibly after this.

Thanx Nit-yeah that's what i was planning, did my interview on 21st, just wanted to ask also, i know this sounds stupid, but what type of stuff would i be doing for science advanced with med, like in the science advanced i would need to maintain minimum of 80-this shouldn't be too hard should it? But i can't make a judgement on that until i know what the course involves like the type of assessments and assignments and the electives and maths one would do. Also what you are basically saying that if i was to finish the med degree, i couldn't do research and say do qualification exams etc for becoming a specialist?So it would be best to first become a specialist then undertake research?Thanx Nit.

 

[Templar]

With 99.95, they mean 99.95. If only 5 candidates satisfy that they will only accept 5, as opposed to filling the 10 up.

I believe it's now a 75 average to stay in the program. As for subject choices, do what you like. It's best not to worry about what subjects to do to get the mark, as you generally don't go so well on subjects you hate. You're also asking for far too much to know about the exact nature of the assessments and your likely outcome. The rough guideline to where the marks come from should be listed on their relevant site.

 

[complex]

thats... kind of ridiculous? what about UNSW, or other unis, is it the same? thats really... wow... 10 places? :O

 

[nit]

As part of advanced science (I recommend doing this as opposed to med sci) you can do a variety of subjects, according to where your interests lie, and, in addition, there are a number of extension programs in the various subjects to satisfy your intellectual curiosities and abilities...

The required WAM is still 80 I think, not sure if it ende dup being lowered to 75 or not, but I very much doubt that, from a cohort of at most 10, they'd remove anyone from the program, unless marks dropped significantly without due cause. That said, 80 is not terribly difficult to achieve if your aptitude and interest lies in the sciences. Don't worry about individual assessments yet - you'll get an idea of these once you commence anyway.

The way I look at it, it's best to get the relevant clinical years (i.e. intern, resient and registrar years) before furthering your research career. There is a combined MBBS/PhD program available in med, where you can get your PhD out of the way in the middle of medicine, but this prolongs the number of years you spend at uni (approximately 10). I'm not entirely sure just yet what my plans are, and it's not a great concern when you're just starting out .

 

[complex]

ok, i am pretty sure that i can get into the advanced science course when i finish year 12, and i am highly interested in science/maths, if i were to do a advanced science bachelor, persue my interests, then do my GAMSAT and apply for med, i can still get in right? ill have my advanced science bachelor to fall back on if i dont like medicine... correct?

after i finish my medicine degree and all that business, assuming i do, say i want to practice or research in america... would there be alot of red tape i have to go through to get certified? would it be possible?

also, is it out of the question/possible to study medicine abroad? i would end up having a degree in america and i could still do research there/here, correct?

if i do a MBBS/PhD program, what kind of jobs am i looking at? does this include a specalization? i really appreciate the answers guys, especially nit.

just one more thing, by your sig nit, do you mean your doing advanced science and medicine at the same time? or have you already done advanced science, what does MBBS mean specifically, is that the one where you apply to after you do your bachelors/BMedSci?

 

[haque]

Oh ok, thanx(To Nit and Templar), yeah i like maths and the sciences, don't like english tho lol. So what topic are u majoring in Nit-mathematics and statistics? Also Nit did u mean they wouldn't remove anyone from the program that easily unless marks dropped significantly? thanx

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Hmm, say we were to join a research institute, we could still practice as a doctor and do research at the same time couldn't we? Also it would be possible to train to become a specialist and be part of a research institute from usyd say?Thanx in advanced

Yes you do both.. you run lik a F**ker from one to the other.. im srs... these ppl dun do lab work usually tho.. they get lab monkeys and students to do it..

yes most ppl do.. in their areas of interest.. lik pathology etc.
specialist training is more exams from a college of medical speciality as above

do i need a real interest in helping people? im just interested in the science but i wouldnt mind helping people either.

who cares?... it depends if u want it for a career... writing papers .. etc you can do both..

after i finish my medicine degree and all that business, assuming i do, say i want to practice or research in america... would there be alot of red tape i have to go through to get certified? would it be possible?

also, is it out of the question/possible to study medicine abroad? i would end up having a degree in america and i could still do research there/here, correct?

if i do a MBBS/PhD program, what kind of jobs am i looking at? does this include a specalization?

if u plan to touch patients and treat them... you need to sit the USMLE.. (google this)
if u only intend to research then you only need the degree qualifications

in Australia.. its the same.. replace USMLE with AMC exams

MBBS/PhD are independent of ure specialisation.. although u get adv research parts out of the way..

 

[Templar]

The required WAM is still 80 I think, not sure if it ende dup being lowered to 75 or not, but I very much doubt that, from a cohort of at most 10, they'd remove anyone from the program, unless marks dropped significantly without due cause. That said, 80 is not terribly difficult to achieve if your aptitude and interest lies in the sciences. Don't worry about individual assessments yet - you'll get an idea of these once you commence anyway.

It's still stated as 80 for all the combined program on the website, which is going to be an uphill battle for arts. As for music, it's the same chance as England winning the Ashes this year - a big fat zero.

I have to follow on with the recommendation for adv science over med science. It has so much more flexibility with subject choice, and easier to get that average. I also agree with getting intern/resident out of the way before you research, but it's going to feel weird when you get back down to research with a pay cut. Kind of like what I'll face if I choose to work in finance for a while, and then decide that staying in the morgue is more fun and come back for 4 years. Currently, I just want to finish asap and starting working full time so I can move out.

And if this has not been stated before, you do your adv science/med science component first, and then med. Not concurrently.

 

[haque]

thanx templar

 

[haque]

Yes you do both.. you run lik a F**ker from one to the other.. im srs... these ppl dun do lab work usually tho.. they get lab monkeys and students to do it..

yes most ppl do.. in their areas of interest.. lik pathology etc.
specialist training is more exams from a college of medical speciality as above



who cares?... it depends if u want it for a career... writing papers .. etc you can do both..



if u plan to touch patients and treat them... you need to sit the USMLE.. (google this)
if u only intend to research then you only need the degree qualifications

in Australia.. its the same.. replace USMLE with AMC exams

MBBS/PhD are independent of ure specialisation.. although u get adv research parts out of the way..

Thanx, so u are basically saying that if i wanted to become a specialist, if i had done research earlier i would be able to get the adv research part of specialisation out of the way? So if i wanted to become a specialist in the field of neurology say and i would also like to be involved in research in neuroscience, then what would you recommend for me to do in uni and just after uni? And so if I work and research then basically i won't have a life? The reason i'm asking is that i did some reading on careers involved in this field and one guy said that most of these doctors are actually practising and conducting research at the same time. Thanx in advanced

 

[velox]

I dont think so Haque. Most people who do grad med have a bsc under their belt and dont get a reduced specialty training timeframe. I imagine it would be the same as everyone else.

 

[rstretch]

Hey is anybody able to tell me approximately how many hours per week I'm looking at in the first few years of this combined B.Sc / MBBS program? It's a very intensive course isn't it?

Thanks