Internet filtering: You can't opt-out (3 Viewers)

[coopert]

Re: Contact Senator Conroy. (propsed Internet Filter)

This Filter is fucking bullshit

What is this, CHINA!?!

 

[georgefren]

lol.

freedom to do WHAT exactly? you dont have freedom to disobey federal laws, and mostly what the adult censors are doing (not that i agree with it) is making sure that we dont visit sites if in doing so you are violating federal laws.

 

[Graney]

lol.

freedom to do WHAT exactly? you dont have freedom to disobey federal laws, and mostly what the adult censors are doing (not that i agree with it) is making sure that we dont visit sites if in doing so you are violating federal laws.

Those laws are all terrible and shouldn't exist in the first place. Now I'm afraid the government will have the power to stop me constantly flouting them.

Censorship laws are a joke and out of touch with community expectations. If censorship laws were ever really enforced, there would be no porn at all depicting any penetration, anywhere in this country. Not even a blow job.

You have absolutely no "legal" right to see this material, but I'd argue those laws are in violation of the natural law, that men need porn.

Steve Fielding wants to take away your right to see this material.

You should constantly break pointless laws barring victimless crimes, any time you can get away with it.

 

[whatashotbyseve]

I seriously reckon the censorship of the internet will cost Rudd the next election. It's a issue which crosses partisan lines. Quite simply the most idiotic piece of legislation ever attempted to be enforced by a government in history.

 

[withoutaface]

I seriously reckon the censorship of the internet will cost Rudd the next election. It's a issue which crosses partisan lines. Quite simply the most idiotic piece of legislation ever attempted to be enforced by a government in history.

I dunno man, the Holocaust was pretty bad.

 

[King.BBjames]

it wont cost the govt the election. allot of the older generation really want it. i was looking at a poll on ninemsn and over 60000 people were in favor of it and 45K against it.

so we will see what happens..

 

[Graney]

Only pedophiles are opposed to this bill.

Watch closely who opposes the measure ... it will be an indication of who is soft on pedophiles.

 

[withoutaface]

Big brother filter plan insults parents

Nick Minchin
January 22, 2009

Underlying the Rudd Government's plan to screen the internet is an offensive message: that parents cannot be trusted to mind their children online.

Adult supervision should be front and centre of the effort to improve online safety, a responsibility accepted by most parents, grandparents, teachers and carers. But the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, seems to think differently: filtering content at internet service provider level is "central to the Government's plan to make the internet a safer place for children".

There is no technological substitute for adult supervision and it's irresponsible and misleading to infer otherwise. Mandating a so-called "clean feed" has the potential to create a dangerous false sense of security, leading parents to believe ongoing supervision and vigilance is no longer needed.

The minister must start listening to the experts, who have repeatedly made the point that most predatory risks to children lurk in those areas of the online world this kind of filtering will do little to combat. Technical advice suggests chat rooms, email and peer-to-peer networks are the most dangerous. Law enforcement agencies around the world have revealed that pedophiles use peer-to-peer networks to exchange explicit videos and images outside the world wide web.

Experts have also shown how the techno-savvy can use various techniques - including encryption - to bypass filters, leaving web sites you would expect to be blocked, open for all to see.

The most powerful and effective weapon against illegal behaviour online is the same as that for illegal behaviour in the real world: sophisticated law enforcement. The successful operation against a child pornography network by the Australian Federal Police late last year, which resulted in more than 20 arrests, demonstrates that.

This crucial capability must not be neglected in favour of an unproven filtering concept experts say will be easy to get around, will not block some offensive content while blocking some acceptable sites, and will slow down the internet for everyone in the process.

Wouldn't the $40 million earmarked for the compulsory filtering policy be better spent on funding and resources for law enforcement, to better equip agencies to strike at the heart of child pornography production and distribution?

There are other, more practical filtering options for individual computers, which allow choice, but this government doesn't appear to want that. Labor has closed the program established by the former Coalition government, which provided free, PC-based filters to all families. These filters allowed families to complement their online safety arrangements with software tailored to their individual needs, without compromising overall internet performance.

Senator Conroy says too few people used the program. But take-up is driven by demand, and while some parents choose to use a content filter, others, for their own reasons, don't. I installed a content filter on our family's computer and believe it is a worthwhile additional safeguard to help protect my children from being exposed to explicit content.

You would think the take-up rate of the free filter program would tell the Government something about where internet filtering lies in terms of priority to families, but apparently not. If anything, the minister seems to be using it to somehow justify Labor's heavy-handed "big brother" approach.

As the debate about Labor's controversial policy has raged, Senator Conroy has remained cryptic and vague, raising suspicion by talking about filtering not just illegal material, but also "unwanted" content that he refuses to specify.

He has also resorted to unedifying inferences against those who dared question his plan. When a Greens Senator, Scott Ludlam, asked some perfectly reasonable questions during a senate estimates hearing last October, Senator Conroy responded: "I trust you are not suggesting that people should have access to child pornography."

Newspapers have reported that the minister's office tried to silence industry figures who had publicly spoken out against content filtering. Last month Senator Conroy finally released a damning expert report on ISP-level filtering, which he had sat on since February.

Meanwhile, we wait for filtering trials to start, trials that have been delayed and which have next-to-no support among the industry. Telstra BigPond - Australia's largest ISP - has refused to take part, comparing internet filtering to "like trying to boil the ocean". The third largest, iiNet, is prepared to participate to highlight flaws.

No decent Australian would argue against the broad aim of making the online world as safe as possible. But Labor's fixation with compulsory, centralised filtering - which tells parents they are incapable of protecting their children - is not the answer.

Nick Minchin is the shadow minister for broadband, communications and the digital economy.

Big brother filter plan insults parents - Opinion - smh.com.au

Fuck yes. Nick Minchin is a patriot of the highest order.

 

[whatashotbyseve]

it wont cost the govt the election. allot of the older generation really want it. i was looking at a poll on ninemsn and over 60000 people were in favor of it and 45K against it.

so we will see what happens..

But they presumably would have been voting Labor already.

The younger generation, who supposedly swept Labor into power, will see this for the con it is. Maybe I am just biased though, I can't wait until we kick Rudd to the curb. I thought for sure he would be in at least two terms but such is his general incompetence I think the Liberals have a great chance in two years.

Trust Minchin to get the perfect soundbite on the issue. Fuck he knows how to play the game.

 

[georgefren]

why does everyone hate rudd on these forums?

 

[Iron]

Dear Minister Conroy,

I realise that you are receiving much flak over the proposed filtering scheme, not least from my demographic of undergraduate guys in their early 20s. However i'd like to commend you on the proposals. It has taken much courage to argue that government can be and should be a moral protector of its own citizens, even if it is protecting them from themselves.

Thankyou for your bravery in attempting to restitch the moral fabric of the nation. In this age of intoxicated, decadent individualism, we need more defending lions like yourself.

Remain strong,

 

[withoutaface]

why does everyone hate rudd on these forums?

Because all he's done since he got into government is ban shit and print money.

 

[Empyrean444]

Only pedophiles are opposed to this bill.

Watch closely who opposes the measure ... it will be an indication of who is soft on pedophiles.

Yeah, so people who don't want the internet to slow down in this country must be paedophiles, right?

That's stupid. Plus, this move is of the sort that makes the govt look like its doing something to counteract a threat, but is in reality doing very little. As usual, the government is masquerading their distinct lack of effectual/meaningful action behind the visage of a decisive stroke.

 

[Empyrean444]

Dear Minister Conroy,

I realise that you are receiving much flak over the proposed filtering scheme, not least from my demographic of undergraduate guys in their early 20s. However i'd like to commend you on the proposals. It has taken much courage to argue that government can be and should be a moral protector of its own citizens, even if it is protecting them from themselves.

Thankyou for your bravery in attempting to restitch the moral fabric of the nation. In this age of intoxicated, decadent individualism, we need more defending lions like yourself.

Remain strong,

Now come on, its one thing to have a forceful and dated dichotomy, but quite another to be brave. Regardless of your views on right/wrong (which are themselves absurd), this man is nothing close to courageous.

 

[КГБ]

I called Conroy and said "fuck you and your crazy Christan party pandering......and i hope you fucking loose your seat in parliament. fucking cunt"

 

[Iron]

Now come on, its one thing to have a forceful and dated dichotomy, but quite another to be brave. Regardless of your views on right/wrong (which are themselves absurd), this man is nothing close to courageous.

Youre absurd

 

[Empyrean444]

insofar as?

 

[Iron]

the nature of you is concerned

 

[КГБ]

HOLY FUCK! the police came to my house this evening. ROFLMAO! HAHAHAAH!

i had to go down to the police station and write up a statement from my end.


fucking LOL. i showed them this thread....

 

[Silver Persian]

Hey, Senator - leave us discerning viewers of pornography alone - Opinion

Big ticket item on the smh website. Hopefully the internet filter will start gaining the public sphere discussion it deserves.