KERRY O'BRIEN: But here's the thing, the other two alternative Liberal leaders, the last one and perhaps the next one, clearly both feel that you represent an extreme position in this debate, that the Government will marginalise you, Joe Hockey speaks for a lot of his colleagues on climate change, does he not, when he says, "I am not a sceptic. I'm a believer. I want action. The official science is clear." You say in comparison, "I am hugely unconvinced by the so-called settled science," or another line, "The climate change argument is crap." Now that is a large divide.
TONY ABBOTT: Look, we all want to do the right thing by the environment. This is not about climate change science, this is about the mechanism for appropriately dealing with it.