Who will you vote for? (4 Viewers)

[Fish Tank]

Informal vote ftw

I'd just draw another box, tick it and write 'Pauline Hanson'

 

[Lentern]

Will never vote Green in my life

Your lack of concern for refugees in prisons disturbs me. It fails the "what would Jesus do?" test by a mile.

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

Your lack of concern for refugees in prisons disturbs me. It fails the "what would Jesus do?" test by a mile.

Apparently compassion is limited to people that happen to live in the same arbitrarily defined country as you.

 

[Slidey]

Just as soon as you give up on your irrelevant socialist ideals, k?

The only socialist ideals I hold are economically viable universal healthcare, welfare, and education. Which is ironic because Family First, The Liberals and The Nationals also support these.

Have another swing, maybe if you post enough random shit you'll start making sense.

 

[Serius]

you're a climate change skeptic?

Nah i am guessing its probably going to happen....although i am a bit skeptical of the extent and climate change is still a bit controversial in the scientific community.

I guess if you need to put a label on me, i am a climate change acceptor. I accept its going to happen, and that theres nothing we[Australia] can do to change it.

this quote sums up my views on climate change pretty well

we dont need to be throwing money into a hole. Even if Australia became totally carbon neutral, it wouldnt change anything globally..... it seems our government doesnt realise this is a global issue, and when it comes to emissions we are nothing but a blip on the radar. We could go back to living in mud huts as a completely primitive society, the reduction wouldnt even be .1% globally.

The best policy would be to prepare for global warming as an inevitability, whilst encouraging other countries to change in the hopes that it wont be.

Its probably one of the few things i agree on Tony Abbot with. Also i dont like how the greens are anti nuclear power....

Really we need a new party, the two main parties are too similar these days. I wouldnt mind a liberal party that was actually liberal for instance.

 

[philphie]

Nah i am guessing its probably going to happen....although i am a bit skeptical of the extent and climate change is still a bit controversial in the scientific community.

I guess if you need to put a label on me, i am a climate change acceptor. I accept its going to happen, and that theres nothing we[Australia] can do to change it.

this quote sums up my views on climate change pretty well

Its probably one of the few things i agree on Tony Abbot with. Also i dont like how the greens are anti nuclear power....

Really we need a new party, the two main parties are too similar these days. I wouldnt mind a liberal party that was actually liberal for instance.

well i think we should at least try our best to minimise emissions in Australia, it might be a global issue but australia is part of that world. i agree on nuclear power with you though

 

[Iron]

Your lack of concern for refugees in prisons disturbs me. It fails the "what would Jesus do?" test by a mile.

What? Theyre not prisons, theyre places where their claims for refugee status are assessed. Their 'treatment' in such places is not an issue. It's an unfortunate bureaucratic reality that the length of stay in such places may be long, but we're not turning them into soap you weirdo.

 

[incentivation]

Apparently compassion is limited to people that happen to live in the same arbitrarily defined country as you.

A borderless world might be your libertarian utopia, however we have to live with the world as it exists. Compassion isn't confined to those who believe in open borders. Despite the bureaucratic obstacles that come with the administration of a sovereign state, providing those facing dire situations in other countries with the opportunity to start a new life in Australia seems like a fairly compassionate position to me.

 

[Lentern]

What? Theyre not prisons, theyre places where their claims for refugee status are assessed. Their 'treatment' in such places is not an issue. It's an unfortunate bureaucratic reality that the length of stay in such places may be long, but we're not turning them into soap you weirdo.

Iron they are prisons, cold and punitive. I've visited people in gaols and I've visited people in Villawood detention centre and i've spoken to guards who have worked in both. There is no doubt that the latter is designed more than the former as a punishment/deterrent for the inmates conduct, that being seeking asylum. They are an extension of the "turning the boats around" rationale which was a weak moral justification of the "we will decide who comes in and the circumstances in which they come" mentality. The idea that Jesus or any perfect moral example people might envision condone it (whether this saint is Buddha, Mohammad or the man who owns the corner store) says some terrible things about that individuals moral compass.

 

[Iron]

My dear, a visit from you and your illiterate ramblings would be prison...
Christ is neutral on such government policies. The only aim of the state is to protect life so that it is left open to Christ. In maintaining a secure border and knowing who is actually in this country (in this modern technological age where an individual or a small group can do such colossal damage) detention centers are a reality that Christians cant have any problem with, just like we dont have a problem with imprisoning or even executing serious criminals. Likewise a Christian in a detention center can have no srs problem with the authorities detaining them. Render unto Caesar and all that. These are imperfect solutions to an imperfect reality. So what. Perfection is for the next life. You cant make good moral people thru the political process or any other system and ideology; people have to choose to be good and this has nothing to do with anyone or anything else but themselves

 

[Cazic]

My dear, a visit from you and your illiterate ramblings would be prison...
Christ is neutral on such government policies. The only aim of the state is to protect life so that it is left open to Christ. In maintaining a secure border and knowing who is actually in this country (in this modern technological age where an individual or a small group can do such colossal damage) detention centers are a reality that Christians cant have any problem with, just like we dont have a problem with imprisoning or even executing serious criminals. Likewise a Christian in a detention center can have no srs problem with the authorities detaining them. Render unto Caesar and all that. These are imperfect solutions to an imperfect reality. So what. Perfection is for the next life. You cant make good moral people thru the political process or any other system and ideology; people have to choose to be good and this has nothing to do with anyone or anything else but themselves

Thanks God. Your friend, Cazic.

 

[Lentern]

My dear, a visit from you and your illiterate ramblings would be prison...
Christ is neutral on such government policies. The only aim of the state is to protect life so that it is left open to Christ. In maintaining a secure border and knowing who is actually in this country (in this modern technological age where an individual or a small group can do such colossal damage) detention centers are a reality that Christians cant have any problem with, just like we dont have a problem with imprisoning or even executing serious criminals. Likewise a Christian in a detention center can have no srs problem with the authorities detaining them. Render unto Caesar and all that. These are imperfect solutions to an imperfect reality. So what. Perfection is for the next life. You cant make good moral people thru the political process or any other system and ideology; people have to choose to be good and this has nothing to do with anyone or anything else but themselves

Disappointing by your standards. Christ is omnipresent he does not pardon himself from matters out of respect for state sovereignty. The essence of your defence is "we're all human, we do some things that are a bit naughty but nobodies perfect so its alright." Tony Abbott would call that out as bullshit, mercifully I don't use that kind of language. Trying to project that rubbish onto the Christian community as a whole is just plain lying. Bishop David Cremin has worked at length with groups like Young Christian Workers and Saint Vincent de Paul to stop this cruel and nasty treatment of the most desperate and deserving individuals on earth. Finally we do not condone capital punishment Iron, do not mislead the kiddies. Despite Cardinal boofhead putting his foot in it at the time the catholic church condemned even the execution of Saddam Hussein, the pope himself speaking out against it.

 

[incentivation]

Disappointing by your standards. Christ is omnipresent he does not pardon himself from matters out of respect for state sovereignty. The essence of your defence is "we're all human, we do some things that are a bit naughty but nobodies perfect so its alright." Tony Abbott would call that out as bullshit, mercifully I don't use that kind of language. Trying to project that rubbish onto the Christian community as a whole is just plain lying. Bishop David Cremin has worked at length with groups like Young Christian Workers and Saint Vincent de Paul to stop this cruel and nasty treatment of the most desperate and deserving individuals on earth. Finally we do not condone capital punishment Iron, do not mislead the kiddies. Despite Cardinal boofhead putting his foot in it at the time the catholic church condemned even the execution of Saddam Hussein, the pope himself speaking out against it.

Even many Christians would agree that government policy often requires certain rights to be overlooked for the benefit of society. Refugees are provided with the opportunity for settlement once their claim is assessed.

It is not an unreasonable position. You would be living outside of reality if you believed that the interests of some individuals are not lost in the pursuit of certain policy goals. This is a natural result of individuals valuing different things.

 

[Lentern]

Even many Christians would agree that government policy often requires certain rights to be overlooked for the benefit of society. Refugees are provided with the opportunity for settlement once their claim is assessed.

It is not an unreasonable position. You would be living outside of reality if you believed that the interests of some individuals are not lost in the pursuit of certain policy goals. This is a natural result of individuals valuing different things.

As you have described it no it is not unreasonable. Naturally however these sacrifices must be proportionate and fair, they are neither.

 

[Fish Tank]

As you have described it no it is not unreasonable. Naturally however these sacrifices must be proportionate and fair, they are neither.

Define 'proportionate and fair'.

 

[incentivation]

Naturally however these sacrifices must be proportionate and fair, they are neither.

Neither proportionate or fair?

They are provided with the basics of subsistence; shelter and food. The conditions might not rival the Sheraton-on-the-Park, however they supersede the alternative. In that context, it is a generally fair and compassionate approach in my view.

Meanwhile, the assessment of claims exists as a measure to ensure legitimacy of the refugee (which we know generally exists). However, a small few are exposed and can pose a risk. The regulation of the entry of persons into Australia exists for a variety of reasons, including, but not confined to national security. A lot of this is political hyperbole and is in response to an electorate with fairly rigid views on the issue. However, I would challenge you to find any person, once they have gained a responsible office, who would even entertain the possibilities of permitting such a risk from eventuating into reality.

What is your, 'proportionate and fair' and 'compassionate' alternative?

 

[Iron]

Disappointing by your standards. Christ is omnipresent he does not pardon himself from matters out of respect for state sovereignty. The essence of your defence is "we're all human, we do some things that are a bit naughty but nobodies perfect so its alright." Tony Abbott would call that out as bullshit, mercifully I don't use that kind of language. Trying to project that rubbish onto the Christian community as a whole is just plain lying. Bishop David Cremin has worked at length with groups like Young Christian Workers and Saint Vincent de Paul to stop this cruel and nasty treatment of the most desperate and deserving individuals on earth. Finally we do not condone capital punishment Iron, do not mislead the kiddies. Despite Cardinal boofhead putting his foot in it at the time the catholic church condemned even the execution of Saddam Hussein, the pope himself speaking out against it.

You have made no case to support your assertion that Christ is against detaining asylum seekers while their claims are assessed. Christ Himself was born in a manger because the Empire required Joseph and Mary to be in their hometown while the numbers and qualities of the population were assessed - Oh the ungodly Tryanny!!!!

lol edit, i dont take u seriously man, so dont bother replying.

 

[Lentern]

Neither proportionate or fair?

They are provided with the basics of subsistence; shelter and food. The conditions might not rival the Sheraton-on-the-Park, however they supersede the alternative. In that context, it is a generally fair and compassionate approach in my view.

Meanwhile, the assessment of claims exists as a measure to ensure legitimacy of the refugee (which we know generally exists). However, a small few are exposed and can pose a risk. The regulation of the entry of persons into Australia exists for a variety of reasons, including, but not confined to national security. A lot of this is political hyperbole and is in response to an electorate with fairly rigid views on the issue. However, I would challenge you to find any person, once they have gained a responsible office, who would even entertain the possibilities of permitting such a risk from eventuating into reality.

What is your, 'proportionate and fair' and 'compassionate' alternative?

No it is not a proportionate response. The risk is minute when it comes to national security being compromised and the risk of the refugees suffering some form of depression as a result of this cruel and nasty policy is quite high. As for your one noble man:

 

[TacoTerrorist]

A choice between two old wealthy right-wing candidates with backward views and corporate interests. Go democracy!

 

[Senator111]

If I could I would vote Liberals in the house an in the Senate and keep the great man Philip Ruddock MP as my local member.

I'm more worried about the Senate and the Greens having balance of power - a scary thought as they would do deals with the Government failing us!

Bring on the Greens demise, as happened to the Democrats after their true motives were found!