United Kingdom Election 2010 (2 Viewers)

[Slidey]

Cameron is PM and Clegg is Deputy PM.

It seems like a good mix. Surely civil liberties will prevail in this scenario while the best parts of the UK's social justice systems remain intact?

 

[Slidey]

And hopefully some electoral reform might come out of this.

 

[withoutaface]

Cameron is PM and Clegg is Deputy PM.

It seems like a good mix. Surely civil liberties will prevail in this scenario while the best parts of the UK's social justice systems remain intact?

Lib Dems absolutely not needed on that count. Civil liberties are backed to the fucking hilt by the Conservative party.

cf BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | David Davis resigns from Commons

 

[Slidey]

Lib Dems absolutely not needed on that count. Civil liberties are backed to the fucking hilt by the Conservative party.

cf BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | David Davis resigns from Commons

Then why didn't the vote against the Digital Economy bill which was chock full of censorship and civil rights stripping?

Only the Lib Dems voted against it as a collective block, the Conservatives abstained.

 

[vanush]

HE'S TOUCHING THE QUEEN

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NO TOUCHING [comment]Fuck the Guardian[/comment]

The UK's unwritten constitution states that Automaton 1E model IV (also known as "The Queen") is activated once every four years by the touch of the winner of the most seats in the House of Commons. Any other touch is likely to cause a constitutional crisis and cause this statement to explode into a million pieces above the Thames.

 

[withoutaface]

Then why didn't the vote against the Digital Economy bill which was chock full of censorship and civil rights stripping?

Only the Lib Dems voted against it as a collective block, the Conservatives abstained.

Punitive measures for those who breach intellectual property rights aren't a civil liberties issue dude, no matter how much you or I might disagree with them.

EDIT: Just so it's clear, I'm somebody who views stealing IP as ethically little different from stealing a physical good from a retailer and leaving whatever wholesale price he paid for it on the shop counter. The current social acceptance of doing so stems from the more abstract nature of the work, and its infinite reproducibility, but there can be little argument that a similar amount of labour goes into, for example, an operating system as a large scale civil engineering project.

Whether it's the state's role to correct this trend through legislation or that of distribution companies to do so through value adds and changing customer attitudes is what I'm not sure of, but when we can lock somebody up for stealing a physical good, cutting off their internet connection for stealing IP doesn't seem as morally hazardous.

I also realise that this makes me a hypocrite.

 

[Slidey]

Punitive measures for those who breach intellectual property rights aren't a civil liberties issue dude, no matter how much you or I might disagree with them.

EDIT: Just so it's clear, I'm somebody who views stealing IP as ethically little different from stealing a physical good from a retailer and leaving whatever wholesale price he paid for it on the shop counter. The current social acceptance of doing so stems from the more abstract nature of the work, and its infinite reproducibility, but there can be little argument that a similar amount of labour goes into, for example, an operating system as a large scale civil engineering project.

Whether it's the state's role to correct this trend through legislation or that of distribution companies to do so through value adds and changing customer attitudes is what I'm not sure of, but when we can lock somebody up for stealing a physical good, cutting off their internet connection for stealing IP doesn't seem as morally hazardous.

I also realise that this makes me a hypocrite.

waf, the Digital Economy bill was far more than that. It effectively allows the government to block any website it wants (Labour famously refused to rule out a ban on Wikileaks) and also allows the government to remove internet access for anybody SUSPECTED of copyright infringement or various other things.

The whole thing was a significant breach of civil liberties, not least of all in the way it was put together.

 

[Slidey]

And yeah, copyright violation for personal use shouldn't involve the state you fucker. Spain has it right.

 

[withoutaface]

And yeah, copyright violation for personal use shouldn't involve the state you fucker. Spain has it right.

How is it any different to other property crimes?

 

[Lentern]

Cameron is PM and Clegg is Deputy PM.

It seems like a good mix. Surely civil liberties will prevail in this scenario while the best parts of the UK's social justice systems remain intact?

What? no. If anything was not going to help that little nitwit get over this delusion that he's one of the big boys this is it.

 

[Slidey]

How is it any different to other property crimes?

Because it's not property. It's also reproduction, not stealing.

 

[Slidey]

What? no. If anything was not going to help that little nitwit get over this delusion that he's one of the big boys this is it.

Awww poor diddums all sad that the Wabour party didn't get back into power?

 

[Lentern]

Awww poor diddums all sad that the Wabour party didn't get back into power?

On the contrary as much as I am a fan of Tony Blair I was hoping for a Tori majority. It's only so often a forward thinking intellectual from the conservative side of politics gets a shot at the top job and now he's going to have Steve Fielding senior snapping at his heals the whole time.

 

[Slidey]

On the contrary as much as I am a fan of Tony Blair I was hoping for a Tori majority. It's only so often a forward thinking intellectual from the conservative side of politics gets a shot at the top job and now he's going to have Steve Fielding senior snapping at his heals the whole time.

What kind of person see any similarity between a moderate libertarian like Clegg and a social conservative religious nutjob like Fielding? Honestly I'm completely bemused right now Lentern.

 

[badquinton304]

What kind of person see any similarity between a moderate libertarian like Clegg and a social conservative religious nutjob like Fielding? Honestly I'm completely bemused right now Lentern.

My guess is that he is comparing them interms of what he percieves as an inflated sense of political importance. Definitely true for Fielding. Fuck I hate fielding you can tell he is a fucking idiot the moment he opens his mouth, fuck family values, this fuckwit should have never been elected, thanks SA.

 

[Lentern]

My guess is that he is comparing them interms of what he percieves as an inflated sense of political importance. Definitely true for Fielding. Fuck I hate fielding you can tell he is a fucking idiot the moment he opens his mouth, fuck family values, this fuckwit should have never been elected, thanks SA.

Fielding is from Victoria but otherwise you are correct.

 

[badquinton304]

Fielding is from Victoria but otherwise you are correct.

Shit he is from victoria.
Xenophon and Pyne, im sure there are other duds, it just got me into a habit.

 

[occer]

What kind of person see any similarity between a moderate libertarian like Clegg and a social conservative religious nutjob like Fielding? Honestly I'm completely bemused right now Lentern.

My thoughts indeed.

 

[withoutaface]

Because it's not property. It's also reproduction, not stealing.

Refer back to my previous example. If I steal something from a shopkeeper and leave his cost of acquisition on the counter, is that right?