religious intolerance (2 Viewers)

[Rothbard]

it's obviously not his tattoo dude

 

[birdy17]

if you read the old testament carefully, you can interpret all the info about their god as actually being a volcano

really!? like what?

 

[DVDVDVDV]

No recordings of the Egyptians and the Plagues or even the Jews being slaves in Egypt outside of the bible fucking lol

Jesus was a trickster, it's easy to do 'miracles'

What's more likely, someone did a bit of sleight of hand or actually suspended the laws of nature?

I did a bit of research and it turns out you were right on some grounds. There are no clear references to the 10 plagues although there are references to a "time of darkness" as outlined by the Ipuwer Papyrus in which Egypt is described as a place of chaos, turned upside down by natural disasters and chaos. As for sources about Jews being slaves, the Merneptah stele outlines a victory of Egypt over the Jewish nation where the "Jews were crushed but their seeds weren't"

When you say Jesus was a trickster, how do you explain the death and resurrection? Staying on a cross until death, being stabbed by a spear (the stabbing with a spear ensured he was dead, so the theory that he never really died is out of the equation) and returning three days later is rather special, something I wouldn't do just for the sake of a joke

I thought they'd figured out how the plagues could have come about naturally.

A chain reaction involving a volcano or red algae or something.

That's true, most of the plagues have an incredibly logical explanation, centred around the theory that the river turning to blood was caused by algae colouring and changing the taste of the water. However some aren't. For example, the last plague, that of the death of the firstborns, cannot easily be explained.

Even if the plagues are set in nature, the fact that Moses managed to predict this is just about preposterous. It would have been the mid to late 21st century before we even would have had a chance to predict this sort of thing.

My opinion is that it is a natural occurrence, but one triggered by God. I could be wrong, but that's my theory for the present.

 

[Chemical Ali]

really!? like what?

haha

watch YouTube - Was God a Volcano?

this dude runs thru all the passages u can interpret as god being a volcano

 

[DVDVDVDV]

haha

watch YouTube - Was God a Volcano?

this dude runs thru all the passages u can interpret as god being a volcano

Or rather many talking, walking volcanoes

 

[Shrewmy]

When you say Jesus was a trickster, how do you explain the death and resurrection? Staying on a cross until death, being stabbed by a spear (the stabbing with a spear ensured he was dead, so the theory that he never really died is out of the equation) and returning three days later is rather special, something I wouldn't do just for the sake of a joke

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It's called making shit up to justify your holy book's twisted sense of morality.

There is no mention of the death and resurrection, or even any of Jesus' miracles in history sources outside of the Bible, and scrawlings by Josephus in 90AD (way after Jesus' 'death'). People didn't write about Jesus until DECADES (Josephus mentioned him around 90AD) after his death, before this it was propagated most likely through oral story telling. If you've ever played chinese whispers you know the message gets skewed very quickly.

By your logic God made a bet with Satan to make Job suffer in order to prove his faith. Or that humanity really is fucked thanks to Eve.

 

[meeatu]

Racism is biological you stupid fuck, you can't change it.

If an idiot chooses to believe in a sky fairy I sure as fucking hell can all them out on it because there's no rational reason in the entire world to believe a magical wizard does everything

:Hat:
Racism is biological, but of course we can change it, what a stupid suggestion.
It's acting on racism, that's the problem.

In exactly the same way; Both theism and Atheism are natural coping mechanisms
It's acting on either to the detriment of the other that is the problem,
that's what we're discussing here.

If an 'idiot' chooses to believe something outside of logic because it makes them happy, what are you trying to achieve by trying to take that away from them?

Feel free to think them stupid, but why act on that? What benefit lies in that to Either you or them?

And why so obsessed with rationality anyway?
Who wants to live in a rational, justifiable world anyway?
What a bore!
Kinda looses it's beauty if you can explain it all, doesn't it?

TL;DR Version: Who cares if Theists are a little mad or illogical, let 'em be, it makes 'em happy :]

:wave: Spreadin' the love

 

[meeatu]

Religious people historically have been the most intolerant as a group, so not tolerating some of the things they do/say/believe is not necessarily a negative thing. The world would be better off if all religious people were killed. Just saying.

ALL FANATICS MUST DIE!
You don't see the irony?

 

[Chemical Ali]

religion is more offensive than anything anyone can say about it

if you're a theist you have to rationalize and defend this:

religious people are disgusting

 

[meeatu]

religion is more offensive than anything anyone can say about it

if you're a theist you have to rationalize and defend this:

I'm primarily an Atheist.
Or at the very least,
Not the sort of theist who believes in a sentient entity governing our world.

But Just sayin', that argument is rendered void by the idea of free will.
any religion, such as Christianity, that is open to an interpretation
which permits a lack of providentialism and calvanism
can simply reply that the only one who has to rationalize that image is you,
with you in that armchair, rather than god.
It's easy to dismiss moral accountability
after all; the whole idea of religion is to provide a moral code.

But as much as the 'free will' argument is a little throwaway,
I cant help but feel that they've sorta got a point.
Something Jesus said once fits in nicely with it all:
"Let he without sin cast the first stone."

I can't help thinking, you have physically sat in a chair and watched such images,
and as much as you have less power over changing it than some almighty deity,
you have enough money to bring hundreds of such people a meal every day,
it would just take a lot of self sacrifice.

Suffering is part of life.
Charity is part of faith.
There is no logical reason for you to be that charitable to such people
I mean, sure you'll donate $30 a week or something,
but what would it take to make a serious difference?
it would mean that you would become one such person yourself,
loosing your income and all your belongings.
It goes against evolution,
It's simply not logical

As much as Charity to that degree comes from very few people,
It IS part of a moral code outside of logic and evolution.
and comes from some sort of faith.

I'm not defending any religion,
Nor suggesting that Christians are more charitable or anything like that.
Just suggesting that you look inside yourself before you point the finger at other peoples gods, and suggesting that hate isn't healthy, find charity within yourself if naught else, but bitching about a god that you believe doesn't exist gets noone anywhere. Don't let yourself become that god watching suffering from his armchair. If in your eyes that is the image of god, then rejoice that you don't believe you were made of him, and in his image. Make yourself better than the god you envision and let that be enough for you.

 

[Lipin]

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[Chemical Ali]

Or we could stop subsidizing agriculture so African farmers can actually sell their produce

i just thought it was a nice picture dude

 

[meeatu]

Fair enough dude, not pointing the finger.
Just sayin' it's not really just theists who have to explain gods actions.

Deep down we're all greedy fuckers.

 

[Rothbard]

well it is theists who have to explain it if they claim it

 

[meeatu]

well it is theists who have to explain it if they claim it

They don't claim it, sweetheart.
That's the wonderful thing about religion,
it's so easy to shirk moral obligation.
You just need to include one line about 'free will'
being bestowed upon all humans by god and voila!
They can pick and choose what to take the blame for and what not to.

They can blame poverty on the non-believers,
and charity on god. Ingenious, isn't it?

 

[Rothbard]

ugh stop posting

 

[Chemical Ali]

They don't claim it, sweetheart.
That's the wonderful thing about religion,
it's so easy to shirk moral obligation.
You just need to include one line about 'free will'
being bestowed upon all humans by god and voila!
They can pick and choose what to take the blame for and what not to.

They can blame poverty on the non-believers,
and charity on god. Ingenious, isn't it?

Free will or not, their magic man still set up the universe in such a way as to produce that outcome... if it's an omniscient flavour of magic man then it's even worse

 

[chicky_pie]

ditto

 

[Scorch]

You just need to include one line about 'free will'

No. This is an incredibly poor logical justification swallowed and used only by fucktards.

 

[senorita2]

religion is dumb and i am openly intolerant of all fanatics whether they be muslim or jew or christian or scientologists.