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Say, if Person A is coming 1st with a school raw mark of 90, and Person B with a raw mark of 89.

And then in the HSC, Person B gets a HSC external mark of 96, and Person A a mark of 92. What would be the final HSC marks for each person?

Would they both get 94? or is there any other process I'm unaware of?
 

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Say, if Person A is coming 1st with a school raw mark of 90, and Person B with a raw mark of 89.

And then in the HSC, Person B gets a HSC external mark of 96, and Person A a mark of 92. What would be the final HSC marks for each person?

Would they both get 94? or is there any other process I'm unaware of?
Person A:
Exam Mark: 92
Assessment Mark: 96
HSC Mark: 94

Person B:
Exam Mark: 96
Assessment Mark: 92
HSC Mark: 94

Assuming that Person B is rank 2.
 

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Person A:
Exam Mark: 92
Assessment Mark: 96
HSC Mark: 94

Person B:
Exam Mark: 96
Assessment Mark: 92
HSC Mark: 94

Assuming that Person B is rank 2.
That's incorrect, though only slightly.

Assessment marks are moderated, so it'll look something like this:

Person A:
Exam Mark: 92
Assessment Mark: 96
HSC Mark: 94

Person B:
Exam Mark: 96
Assessment Mark: 95
HSC Mark: 96.

Why does Person B get 95 as the assessment mark? Because they were only 1 mark behind the first placed person and they require a moderated assessment mark that reflects that closeness.
 

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^how come i'm under the impression that the sum of assessment marks must be equal the sum of exam marks?
 

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^how come i'm under the impression that the sum of assessment marks must be equal the sum of exam marks?
That is true as well if you mean 'exam marks' as in moderated exam marks. However the point I was making with my example is that the BOS does NOT say "1st placed internally gets 1st mark externally, 2nd placed internally gets 2nd highest mark externally, etc."
 

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A better question is why concern yourself about these things? Just get the best mark you can...
 

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Your mark given to BOS doesn't matter, it's the rank that matters. The difference in score given to BOS does't make a difference. So if I'm rank 2 with 70 and rank 1 is 90 but in the exam I got 100 and the other got 95...then I get 100 and 65 to represent the difference? The other guy gets 95 and 100?

That is clearly too unfair.
 

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Your mark given to BOS doesn't matter, it's the rank that matters. The difference in score given to BOS does't make a difference. So if I'm rank 2 with 70 and rank 1 is 90 but in the exam I got 100 and the other got 95...then I get 100 and 65 to represent the difference? The other guy gets 95 and 100?

That is clearly too unfair.
What about if the person is coming last and gets a mark of 70 while the other person in front gets like 30? what would happen to the assessment mark??
 

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Your mark given to BOS doesn't matter, it's the rank that matters. The difference in score given to BOS does't make a difference. So if I'm rank 2 with 70 and rank 1 is 90 but in the exam I got 100 and the other got 95...then I get 100 and 65 to represent the difference? The other guy gets 95 and 100?

That is clearly too unfair.
Why is that unfair? If that person beat you by so much internally he deserves to be compensated for that. HSC is supposed to represent the whole year not just one test. Also your internal mark would be closer to 80 not 65.
 
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Why is that unfair? If that person beat you by so much internally he deserves to be compensated for that. HSC is supposed to represent the whole year not just one test. Also your internal mark would be closer to 80 not 65.
I think you misunderstood that he/she misunderstood the aligning process lol.

@someth1ing, actually the difference in score DOES matter but it really depends on how big the cohort is and how close the marks are. Obviously if it's a 2 person cohort, you will get each other's marks (usually - see below) if you rank differently. That's because (as Shadowdude kind of tried to say), BOS attempts to align the external marks with the distribution of the internal marks. So if there's a massive difference in moderated external marks and a massive difference in raw internal marks, well yeah your internal is going to align pretty poorly huh. That's why it's so important to improve the whole cohort. BOS will query/check up/ignore marks in special cases if something seems wrong though (see below), particularly if it's like a 2 person cohort scenario.

@Skriker, I read somewhere (can't find the doc - some 2002 report) that BOS excludes unexpected outliers, e.g. if there are 50 people in the cohort with rank 2 = 98/100 internal and rank 45 = 62/100 internal, then suddenly rank 2 bombs out in externals and comes rank 45 (with most other people having similar ranks) they don't include his/her mark when they're aligning the average of the moderated externals with the average of the internals (otherwise it'd be pretty unfair if some guy decides to non-attempt his HSC for some reason)
 
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Your mark given to BOS doesn't matter, it's the rank that matters. The difference in score given to BOS does't make a difference. So if I'm rank 2 with 70 and rank 1 is 90 but in the exam I got 100 and the other got 95...then I get 100 and 65 to represent the difference? The other guy gets 95 and 100?

That is clearly too unfair.
You might want to do a little more research before spouting out stuff like gospel.

Your mark given to BOS does matter, not as much as the rank however. The differences in score given to BOS does make a difference.
 

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