Sexism - The experiences of women and men (3 Viewers)

[nerdasdasd]

No. You assume that I assume.

A single case of someone dying as a result of an incompetent woman being giving a job she can't handle is bad enough. The implications of the assumption you mentioned are absolutely atrocious.
I would say that 95%+ of australian deaths would be due to incompetent women in that case.

And like I said, it's not about frontline jobs. It's about in general; women being given special treatment, ironically, in an effort to treat them equally, and the potentially terrible consequences.

That is flat out sexist!

 

[OzKo]

No. You assume that I assume.

A single case of someone dying as a result of an incompetent woman being giving a job she can't handle is bad enough. The implications of the assumption you mentioned are absolutely atrocious.
I would say that 95%+ of australian deaths would be due to incompetent women in that case.

And like I said, it's not about frontline jobs. It's about in general; women being given special treatment, ironically, in an effort to treat them equally, and the potentially terrible consequences.

That's a fairly big call.

Do you have evidence?

 

[JohnMaximus]

You flat out said that women are incompetent.
Of course if someone isn't fit for the front line, you wouldn't put them there. But if someone IS fit enough and they happen to be female why does that matter?

And do you have any actual examples of women being given 'special treatment'?

If I did "flat out say that women are incompetent"- that statement does not within itself address ALL women or accuse ALL women of being incompetent.
Women are incompetent.
The same can be said for any race or gender- there is no "perfect" group which contains no imperfect or incompetent bodies.

And a directly obvious and appropriate case- as it leads directly from the army analogy is that women have lower fitness standards in the army.
It's not too difficult to imagine how a woman's inability to run as far or as fast could lead to someone's death is it?

 

[JohnMaximus]

That's a fairly big call.

Do you have evidence?

Of course not- that's assuming that "women are incompetent with anything remotely physical".

I can't think of the appropriate word- a theoretical idea was made up and assuming that is true I came up with a figure which is impossible to verify.
Imagine a woman dropping her grenade because throwing it was too physically challenging.

 

[AB940]

If I did "flat out say that women are incompetent"- that statement does not within itself address ALL women or accuse ALL women of being incompetent.
Women are incompetent.
The same can be said for any race or gender- there is no "perfect" group which contains no imperfect or incompetent bodies.

And a directly obvious and appropriate case- as it leads directly from the army analogy is that women have lower fitness standards in the army.
It's not too difficult to imagine how a woman's inability to run as far or as fast could lead to someone's death is it?

Yes but what your arguing is pretty much a blanket statement saying that all women are incompetent. You talk about the lower fitness threshold for women, yet just because that number's lower it doesn't mean a lot of the women who go into the defence force wouldn't be well over it. If everyone is incompetent then no one is and I haven't seen you addressing any other points on here other than that you think women just get free rides into whatever job they want and fuck shit up as a result.

 

[AB940]

*you're

 

[AB940]

Of course not- that's assuming that "women are incompetent with anything remotely physical".

I can't think of the appropriate word- a theoretical idea was made up and assuming that is true I came up with a figure which is impossible to verify.
Imagine a woman dropping her grenade because throwing it was too physically challenging.

Then why make up bullshit? "Imagine [insert unlikely scenario here]" is a poor argument for anything. If a woman was going to just 'drop' a grenade, chances are she wouldn't even be in the army. The fitness standards for women might be lower but they're still there.

 

[JohnMaximus]

Yes but what your arguing is pretty much a blanket statement saying that all women are incompetent. You talk about the lower fitness threshold for women, yet just because that number's lower it doesn't mean a lot of the women who go into the defence force wouldn't be well over it. If everyone is incompetent then no one is and I haven't seen you addressing any other points on here other than that you think women just get free rides into whatever job they want and fuck shit up as a result.

1. I was just pointing out that the nature of the statement "Women are incompetent" does not logically suggest ALL women, it just ascertains that incompetent women exist. The number of women who are incompetent is greater than or equal to two is an equivalent statement.

2. I never at any point said that all women are incompetent.

3. This threads topic is sex not race.

4. Of all women are above the threshold then why is it lower at all?

What justifies women having lower physical standards? A single incompetent woman in the army can cause a lot of damage- and crush a lot of families. An incompetent woman could cause the death of a competent woman. There should simply be no incompetent people on the army- everyone should be held to the same standards- no special treatment.

5. If everyone is incompetent- women are the ones whose potential incompetency is being practically ignored. At least others have their incompetency addressed.

 

[JohnMaximus]

Then why make up bullshit? "Imagine [insert unlikely scenario here]" is a poor argument for anything. If a woman was going to just 'drop' a grenade, chances are she wouldn't even be in the army. The fitness standards for women might be lower but they're still there.

This is assuming your own statement that "women are incompetent with anything remotely physical".

This would be much easier if you went back and read everything properly.

 

[AB940]

1. I was just pointing out that the nature of the statement "Women are incompetent" does not logically suggest ALL women, it just ascertains that incompetent women exist. The number of women who are incompetent is greater than or equal to two is an equivalent statement.

2. I never at any point said that all women are incompetent.

3. This threads topic is sex not race.

4. Of all women are above the threshold then why is it lower at all?

What justifies women having lower physical standards? A single incompetent woman in the army can cause a lot of damage- and crush a lot of families. An incompetent woman could cause the death of a competent woman. There should simply be no incompetent people on the army- everyone should be held to the same standards- no special treatment.

5. If everyone is incompetent- women are the ones whose potential incompetency is being practically ignored. At least others have their incompetency addressed.

Just because you didn't say those words verbatim doesn't mean everyone on here is thick enough not to be able to see that that was the implication of your argument. Where on earth did I bring up race? I wasn't talking about that at all, you were the one who brought that up. You just used the 'everyone's incompetent' argument to justify slagging off women, but then surely if men and women are equally as incompetent it's wrong to single women out.

 

[AB940]

This is assuming your own statement that "women are incompetent with anything remotely physical".

This would be much easier if you went back and read everything properly.

Oh for fucks sake, I was putting into words what YOU were implying, not stating my own opinion.

 

[nerdasdasd]

Just because you didn't say those words verbatim doesn't mean everyone on here is thick enough not to be able to see that that was the implication of your argument. Where on earth did I bring up race? I wasn't talking about that at all, you were the one who brought that up. You just used the 'everyone's incompetent' argument to justify slagging off women, but then surely if men and women are equally as incompetent it's wrong to single women out.

+1.

 

[RealiseNothing]

Oh for fucks sake, I was putting into words what YOU were implying, not stating my own opinion.

You can't just do that lol.

 

[nerdasdasd]

This is assuming your own statement that "women are incompetent with anything remotely physical".

This would be much easier if you went back and read everything properly.

You're digging yourself to a deep hole... The more you try to justify your posts .

 

[RealiseNothing]

You're digging yourself to a deep hole... The more you try to justify your posts .

You really should just stop.

 

[AB940]

You can't just do that lol.

He was talking about how many deaths women were going to be responsible for on the front line. How does that NOT make the gross assumption that women are incompetent? I was pointing out how ridiculous such a comment was. Go back and look at the context of my comment.

 

[AB940]

You're digging yourself to a deep hole... The more you try to justify your posts .

I concur.

 

[chris_power_96]

On some of the ads for charities on tv, I have felt they have been slightly sexist at times when they appeal claiming 'women and children are dying' and don't mention men

 

[RealiseNothing]

He was talking about how many deaths women were going to be responsible for on the front line. How does that NOT make the gross assumption that women are incompetent? I was pointing out how ridiculous such a comment was. Go back and look at the context of my comment.

He's talking about how having lower physical standards for women can cause more incompetent women (in the context of the frontline). I really don't see why physical standards are lower for women when the consequences are so severe. In the Olympics, yer sure, but not on the frontline.

 

[JohnMaximus]

Just because you didn't say those words verbatim doesn't mean everyone on here is thick enough not to be able to see that that was the implication of your argument. Where on earth did I bring up race? I wasn't talking about that at all, you were the one who brought that up. You just used the 'everyone's incompetent' argument to justify slagging off women, but then surely if men and women are equally as incompetent it's wrong to single women out.

I did not make this argument at all.

I was commenting on the grammatical logic of the statement "women are incompetent", with reference to your incorrect interpretation of it. Overall it had nothing to do with the argument and was a pointless side thing which caused you more confusion than it should have.


The first thing I said in response was what I should have left it at- I am not stating anything about "all" women.

And I have not said that men and women are equally incompetent.

1.Men are incompetent.
2.Women are incompetent.

The only wholistic notions of 1 and 2 are that neither group is perfect. There is no quantitative notion. You cannot from 1 and 2 make the assumption that both groups are equally incompetent. However, once again, this is a LOGIC argument and I'm arguing only the grammatical logic of statements in general- these two statements are just EXAMPLES AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CORE ARGUMENT.

The core argument is just this:

Fact: women have lower fitness standards in the army than men.

Hence it is possible to theorise that this may potentially cause deaths in the army due to relative incompetence. Ie a job that a person who fits regular standards could have fulfilled is NOT because some illogical special considerations have been made.

Why do these considerations exist? They are both sexist and potentially have terrible consequences.

If a feminist body is responsible for these considerations they should be the ones explain to the family of whoever dies as consequence why their beloved family member is dead. Good luck.