Petition - ATAR Should Not Affect University Options (2 Viewers)

[andrewriis]

Hey guys, for a project I am doing a petition on how the education system can restrict us. I'm sure some of you BOS users including myself hate that whether we make it into university or not is based on how good we are at memorising stuff and remembering it in an exam that has no relevance to real life. You should be able to follow your passion and not be limited by an outdated education system. If you could 'sign' it that would really help, we want to show governments and universities that it shouldn't be like this!

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/christopher-pyne-together-we-can-free-education

 

[andrewriis]

The education system was designed to prepare the future generation, but it is restricting the future of learning. Individuals should be free to follow their passions, and exam results should not limit future educational opportunities.

We want to raise government awareness about how the education system is limiting individuals, and gain university support for alternate entry pathways based on individuals who make a difference in their community and prepare themselves to follow their passions.

If you don't want to miss out on your career because of your ATAR, and you want to be able to follow your passion, sign the petition:

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/christopher-pyne-together-we-can-free-education

 

[astroman]

its called flexible entry scheme.

 

[Fiction]

IMO you're arguing for a more arts based course? You do realise that a understanding of the fundalmental "facts" of maths, science etc, is what enables individuals to further current technology. If australia were to take a step in the direction you're indicating (in terms of our education system) I feel that we'll end up with a generation who have all those crazy ideas (and even then, every idea is unoriginal anyways) with no idea how to implement it.

Besides, there's a reason why students ~mostly~ get to choose what subjects they will like to study in senior school. I know there are restrictions such as scaling etc, but ultimately, with the currrent subjects presented, ~most~ student interests should already be covered. IMO wouldn't arguing for something like, ridding the mentality/ notion of scaling as a factor of "success" be more viable? Like discouraging kids to take subjects they don't enjoy purely for the marks.

That and subjects such as english, already reinforce critical and logical thinking.

EDIT:
I forgot to add - you may want to present a clearer/actual model. I.e what you propose instead of the current education system, when would you implement it and how does it differ, how does it work. It may clarify what you're trying to say/ add to your argument.

 

[Drifting95]

What do you recommend then?

 

[flashyGoldFish]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Also known as 'im not getting the ATAR for the course I want so rather than working hard to get close and then putting in lots of effort in university to transfer, Ill rather sit on the chair have a cry and start a petition and claim that the HSC has no use'
If anything we should be making the system harder by mandating 2 units of either Maths, Physics, Chemistry or Biology

 

[Fiction]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Also known as 'im not getting the ATAR for the course I want so rather than working hard to get close and then putting in lots of effort in university to transfer, Ill rather sit on the chair have a cry and start a petition and claim that the HSC has no use'
If anything we should be making the system harder by mandating 2 units of either Maths, Physics, Chemistry or Biology

Eh why? :O I mean, some students are more humanities based and junior school maths should be enough for them to get through life (relatively).

 

[kalstar]

What are you smoking m8

 

[flashyGoldFish]

Eh why? :O I mean, some students are more humanities based and junior school maths should be enough for them to get through life (relatively).

You could argue why do scientifically inclined kids have to do english when they can already speak English.

I think the sciences are so important in society and in the future they will only get even more important but the population as a whole has such a poor grasp and appreciation of them. Too many people fear them. While it wont necessarily make people like it itll certainly make them more well balanced overall (isnt that what we want from an education system to produce well rounded students)

But the thread idea is great. Should everyone just get into the course that they want? Ignoring university resources/costs/persons aptitude for the course etc etc

 

[bangladesh]

how about no

 

[isildurrrr1]

There's something called open university which has no academic requirements. I highly doubt in this age of information freedom and MOOC's people are "restricted" from education at all.

 

[isildurrrr1]

You could argue why do scientifically inclined kids have to do english when they can already speak English.

I think the sciences are so important in society and in the future they will only get even more important but the population as a whole has such a poor grasp and appreciation of them. Too many people fear them. While it wont necessarily make people like it itll certainly make them more well balanced overall (isnt that what we want from an education system to produce well rounded students)

But the thread idea is great. Should everyone just get into the course that they want? Ignoring university resources/costs/persons aptitude for the course etc etc

THIS THIS THIS THIS.

Everyone should study at least a certain amount of science, mathematics, language, humanities etc courses in high school. Adaptability and well roundedness is necessary.

The biggest failures of Aussie universities is lack of pre-reqs towards certain courses. I do international relations and there's a fair bit about the global economy and what not, yet most people NEVER took an economics course. Same goes for all the hippie kids with their ideas on how to solve the world yet 0 scientific background. Dem arts kids are going to be in a big shock when they have to do data analytics for their PhD and their world revolves around statistics lol.

 

[Fiction]

You could argue why do scientifically inclined kids have to do english when they can already speak English.

I think the sciences are so important in society and in the future they will only get even more important but the population as a whole has such a poor grasp and appreciation of them. Too many people fear them. While it wont necessarily make people like it itll certainly make them more well balanced overall (isnt that what we want from an education system to produce well rounded students)

But the thread idea is great. Should everyone just get into the course that they want? Ignoring university resources/costs/persons aptitude for the course etc etc

Dat sarcasm 8D
True, but I could also argue that english reinforces critical and logical thinking and while science does the same, english also has a vital communication factor.
I agree the sciences are important in society, and will become more important, but I don't think mandating them would be all too great. WHile everyone has been exposed to english since like kindie, science only really is introduced to kids in like the latter half of primary to high school. Some kids are going to be SO bad at it whileas the average kid should be at least somewhat comfortable with english already. Also, eng has like ESL, standard and advanced, to make science or math mandatory you would need to have some more basic-ish courses for those who will struggle.

Not really, the education system aims to produce wellbalanced students up until senior years, which is argueably when you're saying science should become mandatory. SEnior years = start to specialise in courses.

 

[isildurrrr1]

Also, eng has like ESL, standard and advanced, to make science or math mandatory you would need to have some more basic-ish courses for those who will struggle.

ESL is only for people from a non-english background. this is why IB is much more superior to HSC, you pretty much have to be a goddamn good at everything.

Of course there's basic science courses. Intro to biology or environmental science or some shit. There's intro humanities courses right?

 

[kalstar]

THIS THIS THIS THIS.

Everyone should study at least a certain amount of science, mathematics, language, humanities etc courses in high school. Adaptability and well roundedness is necessary.

The biggest failures of Aussie universities is lack of pre-reqs towards certain courses. I do international relations and there's a fair bit about the global economy and what not, yet most people NEVER took an economics course. Same goes for all the hippie kids with their ideas on how to solve the world yet 0 scientific background. Dem arts kids are going to be in a big shock when they have to do data analytics for their PhD and their world revolves around statistics lol.

Yes.

 

[flashyGoldFish]

Theres General Maths and Senior Science.

But lets get back to the topic. Would love to know the OPs method of university entrance.

 

[Fiction]

ESL is only for people from a non-english background. this is why IB is much more superior to HSC, you pretty much have to be a goddamn good at everything.

Of course there's basic science courses. Intro to biology or environmental science or some shit. There's intro humanities courses right?

idk my school only offers bio, chem, physics but apparently there's senior science, agriculture and environmental science (there may be more) but these IMO target the different branches of science, not really like the difficulty of science. Where as (i think) standard is the easier vr of adv, which is the easier vr of extension 1 (essay wise)

 

[bangladesh]

ESL is only for people from a non-english background. this is why IB is much more superior to HSC, you pretty much have to be a goddamn good at everything.

Of course there's basic science courses. Intro to biology or environmental science or some shit. There's intro humanities courses right?

you've got to be fucking kidding me. It's SO MUCH easier to score a 45/45 in IB than it is to get 99.95

 

[madharris]

you've got to be fucking kidding me. It's SO MUCH easier to score a 45/45 in IB than it is to get 99.95

It really isn't

 

[rumbleroar]

Dat sarcasm 8D
True, but I could also argue that english reinforces critical and logical thinking and while science does the same, english also has a vital communication factor.
I agree the sciences are important in society, and will become more important, but I don't think mandating them would be all too great. WHile everyone has been exposed to english since like kindie, science only really is introduced to kids in like the latter half of primary to high school. Some kids are going to be SO bad at it whileas the average kid should be at least somewhat comfortable with english already. Also, eng has like ESL, standard and advanced, to make science or math mandatory you would need to have some more basic-ish courses for those who will struggle.

Not really, the education system aims to produce wellbalanced students up until senior years, which is argueably when you're saying science should become mandatory. SEnior years = start to specialise in courses.

1. BS. almost all subjects in the HSC requires students to communicate their thoughts and responses to the question, so its actually stupid when people use this argument constantly as if english is the ONLY subject out there that builds up communication skills. At most, it builds up literature analysis skills, which pales in comparison to the power of learning science or mathematics in terms of making a substantial societal contribution. tell me how many literature texts it took to fully analyse and BS about to construct structures and devices that improve our lifestyles or the livelihoods of others?

2. there's senior science and environmental science available for a less rigourous science-based courses other than your typical phys, chem and bio. there's also different levels of maths, such as general, advanced mathematics, MX1 and MX2. Just like English. With your argument, maths has been introduced into our education systems since kindy, yet why isn't that mandatory?? and also, people have varying degrees of ability in English, just like maths and science, so by your logic, mandating english isn't too great either.

I argue for at least general maths to be mandatory. The functional skills from gen math are actually extremely applicable to real life, and students should be able to choose whether or not they want to go up. the biggest deterrent from picking maths is the suffocating structure of the syllabus. the entire syllabus needs reform if any subject should be mandatory.