Submitting internal marks? (2 Viewers)

[Klabaski]

Hai,
When the school submits the internal marks to the board of studies, do they send it as rounded to the nearest whole number or do they send it with the decimal places?

 

[mreditor16]

I think the school can choose.....

not 100% sure though.

 

[Queenroot]

Whole numbers I think.

 

[D94]

Whole numbers.

 

[cem]

Only whole numbers, has been my experience in the last 20+ years.

 

[faisalabdul16]

Whole numbers

 

[mreditor16]

I think the school can choose.....

not 100% sure though.

lol my bad then.... :/

 

[Ronaldinho10]

If the assessment mark for the two top students is seperated only by a tenth of a mark (0.1 or 0.4 you get my drift) are equal do they both get sent in as first?

 

[D94]

If the assessment mark for the two top students is seperated only by a tenth of a mark (0.1 or 0.4 you get my drift) are equal do they both get sent in as first?

Up to the school.

 

[mreditor16]

Up to the school.

how so?

 

[D94]

how so?

The school can decide to bump up the higher student so that there is only one first place. They could also submit the same mark for both students and hence have two first places.

 

[mreditor16]

The school can decide to bump up the higher student so that there is only one first place. They could also submit the same mark for both students and hence have two first places.

but if they bump people up and down, that gives BOSTES a false indicator of the relative gaps between each student, thus adversely affecting the moderation process of internal marks....


also, if school wanted to submit marks of 150 students such that all students had a different rank (i.e. no equal ranks), how would that be done? :/

 

[photastic]

My school sends marks to the one decimal place.

 

[D94]

but if they bump people up and down, that gives BOSTES a false indicator of the relative gaps between each student, thus adversely affecting the moderation process of internal marks....


also, if school wanted to submit marks of 150 students such that all students had a different rank (i.e. no equal ranks), how would that be done? :/

It's up to the school to decide the relative gaps based on their assessment process. Schools can also apply their own internal scaling, or any criteria to differentiate between students. It would not 'adversely' affect the moderation process. A mark change from 0.1 to 1, over a range of say 20 marks, in a cohort of 30, would be negligible.

Multiple students on a rank is only something to consider for first place and last place. All the other ranks do not affect the moderation process in terms of the bounds for moderation. Obviously it would not be done because it's impossible.

My school sends marks to the one decimal place.

We have teachers on this forum stating the system will only accept whole numbers.

 

[mreditor16]

i'm actually really interested to get insights into this matter from an actual teacher though. regardless, i still appreciate all your inputs into this, guys.

the moderation of internal marks is something that can be quite complicated and misunderstood by some....

 

[bangladesh]

It doesn't matter anyway, they get modified but i'm pretty sure its whole numbers

 

[mreditor16]

It's up to the school to decide the relative gaps based on their assessment process. Schools can also apply their own internal scaling, or any criteria to differentiate between students. It would not 'adversely' affect the moderation process. A mark change from 0.1 to 1, over a range of say 20 marks, in a cohort of 30, would be negligible.

Multiple students on a rank is only something to consider for first place and last place. All the other ranks do not affect the moderation process in terms of the bounds for moderation. Obviously it would not be done because it's impossible.


We have teachers on this forum stating the system will only accept whole numbers.

yep that all makes sense.

in the second paragraph, you are sorta alluding to the 'chuck everyone in the cohort onto the parabola' thingo right? like how its not actually true that the person with the nth highest internal rank will receive the nth highest external mark in their cohort.... a massive misconception that circulates around...

correct me if i am wrong. i am quoting / sourcing this from a maths teacher who has set HSC exams and knows the guys from BOSTES who do the moderation of internals and aligning of externals, and also the UAC peeps who do the scaling....

 

[mreditor16]

I think schools don't want too many people on equal ranks, so say the range is from 95 to 65 with maybe a dozen in the 90-95 range. my teacher, iirc, said they would probs move the range to 85 to 55 and then stretch out it esp. at the top marks to make a range of about 99 to 55, scattering the dozen from before into the range of 90 to 99 or something like that.

when you have less people on shared ranks at the top, apparently it has benefitted students in the past :O not sure exactly on how this exactly occurs

again, correct me if i'm wrong with any of this...

 

[D94]

yep that all makes sense.

in the second paragraph, you are sorta alluding to the 'chuck everyone in the cohort onto the parabola' thingo right? like how its not actually true that the person with the nth highest internal rank will receive the nth highest external mark in their cohort.... a massive misconception that circulates around...

If there are two students on first place, then the highest assessment mark awarded will be the average of the two highest exam marks. So let's say 96 and 92 were the two highest, then the two students will get 94 for their assessment mark. But if they were split up, then outright first would get 96, and now second place would probably get 96 as well, if not, then 95, depending on how well the cohort performs overall.

when you have less people on shared ranks at the top, apparently it has benefitted students in the past :O not sure exactly on how this exactly occurs

Moving the average around might be beneficial, but it probably has more potential to do worse. Where it benefits is the example above.

 

[mreditor16]

If there are two students on first place, then the highest assessment mark awarded will be the average of the two highest exam marks. So let's say 96 and 92 were the two highest, then the two students will get 94 for their assessment mark. But if they were split up, then outright first would get 96, and now second place would probably get 96 as well, if not, then 95, depending on how well the cohort performs overall.

Moving the average around might be beneficial, but it probably has more potential to do worse. Where it benefits is the example above.

with all that in mind, then it seems to me that what you have described above would be the reason why they do the nudging/shifting around of marks at my (academically high-performing) school - i.e. doing this:

I think schools don't want too many people on equal ranks, so say the range is from 95 to 65 with maybe a dozen in the 90-95 range. my teacher, iirc, said they would probs move the range to 85 to 55 and then stretch out it esp. at the top marks to make a range of about 99 to 55, scattering the dozen from before into the range of 90 to 99 or something like that..