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TORN between Medicine and Dentistry (Please read and don't judge) Advice Please (1 Viewer)

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Hey guys. I have this dilemma that most people who want to get into either dentistry and/or medicine get into when they need to choose between the two.
And I don't want to be THAT guy (or girl) who makes it sound kind of braggy and rhetorical.
I genuinely am torn between the two courses. One moment it feels like Medicine is my dream career, and the other it feels like I was born to pursue Dentistry.
It might be worth noting that I first wanted to be a doctor, and get into medicine. But after researching more and finding out more about dentistry, it feels equally attractive to me as a profession I would engulf myself into in the future.
So you smart and intelligent and wonderful people here at BoS, do you have any opinions on the coursesand why you would like to study one over the other? Or if anyone is actually studying either one of the courses, it would be really helpful to hear what the courses are like, in terms of enjoyment, course outline, hardness etcetera.

I am mainly torn between UQ med and UQ dentistry but other unis are also options regarding both courses
Also I am not really interested in which job earns more than the other. Money isn't a big factor to me :)
Thankyou!
 

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I was offered dent my first year out of school, however through a weird mix of events I lost my offer due to messing up my uac preferences (CSU), anyway ended up thinking about whether or not I really wanted to do dent after I lost the offer and realised that I didn't really like it. So 2 weeks later I got a phone call saying I have a dent offer which I ended up rejecting and now I'm happy and content 2 years later going into 2nd year med.

For me personally it was the fact that dentistry is much more limited with regards to where you can go with it and specialising compared to medicine and I personally like hospital settings a lot more. I also feel that you don't develop the same connection in dentistry as you do in med.

Downsides of med compared to dent: Overall a more lengthy training process, less pay, worse working hours and requires a person to generally be more career driven. Also it's super hard to go 'part time' during your training in med but it's not the same case in dent. Overall, I feel like dent comes with a better lifestyle but for me personally, I wouldn't get the job satisfaction as a dentist so I chose med.

ps. you never hear anyone yelling 'is there a dentist on this plane?' ;)

pss. I have no logical explanation for this, but I feel like if you're having trouble choosing between the two, you are more suited to do dentistry.
 
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A relative of mine is a dentist and now pursuing a med degree coz there's a Dentistry specialty that requires Med qualifications.
Maybe you can do the same? :)
 

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Hey guys. I have this dilemma that most people who want to get into either dentistry and/or medicine get into when they need to choose between the two.
And I don't want to be THAT guy (or girl) who makes it sound kind of braggy and rhetorical.
Hey there!

Firstly I assure you you're not THAT guy simply for thinking about your future and looking for advice. It's a valid question and lot of people lile the prospect of both. And you've said you've already done some research first and are just looking for opinions now, which is good.

I genuinely am torn between the two courses. One moment it feels like Medicine is my dream career, and the other it feels like I was born to pursue Dentistry.
It might be worth noting that I first wanted to be a doctor, and get into medicine. But after researching more and finding out more about dentistry, it feels equally attractive to me as a profession I would engulf myself into in the future.
So you smart and intelligent and wonderful people here at BoS, do you have any opinions on the coursesand why you would like to study one over the other?

At the end of the day the decision is a personal one, and lots of factors will come into it.

I think the biggest one, however, is just the scope of what you might end up doing with either degree.
A dentist degree is good for a job as a dentist, and that's generally it. Your scope for work is basically in and around the human mouth, which in itself is a delightfully complex thing that a lot of people rightfully enjoy working with.

A med degree, on the other hand, has a lot more scope in terms of what you can do with it. There are a heap of specialties that you can explore that cover everything from general practice to hand surgery. And you can figure out which one you like as you go along.

That might sound like it's a point in med's favour, (and it well could be, esp. coming from a med-biased source such as myself), but it isn't necessarily. It just means that if you were to choose dentistry you should be happy to deal with chompy bits every day.


Or if anyone is actually studying either one of the courses, it would be really helpful to hear what the courses are like, in terms of enjoyment, course outline, hardness etcetera.
You seen to be focused on the course itself, which is obviously a very important thing, but I think the most important thing to consider is the career that comes after, given that it's a ~5-7 degree vs a career that could likely span many decades.

But since you ask:
Course outline: The gist of all the courses tends to be freely available in course handbooks for each individual uni, so that's a good place to do some reading. For either I would imagine it consists of studies of anatomy, physiology, pathology, histology etc. but for dentistry obviously more focused to the oral area. And of course there would be significant clinical component to both.

Enjoyment: If you study something you're genuinely interested in and want to do, you will enjoy it. I hugely enjoy medicine but lots of people wouldn't. Sounds like you'd probably enjoy either

Difficulty: Once again, if you enjoy it it probably won't matter too much. I wouldn't suggest that either course is easy. But for example, I would probably find dentistry harder than medicine because I'd enjoy the med content more, even if the med content was harder than the dent content (which it isn't necessarily).

I haven't done both, so I can't really comment on their relative difficulty. I feel like most people would say med is slightly harder due to the greater breadth of content but I don't know myself. If I had to guess I imagine they'd be pretty similar, and there'd probably even be a fair amount of overlap.

I really don't think it matters in the big picture though, it's whichever one you're more interested in.

To talk about more career related stuff:
- Most dentists work in private practice, whereas doctors can work in public health system, private hospitals or in a private practice etc.
- A big thing with medicine is that the degree isn't the end of it. There's a very significant postgraduate training component, generally 1 year of internship, 1 year of residency, and then around 6 years specialising as a registrar (but this varies). While you're doing all this thought you're working as a doctor and being paid, so it's not a big deal if you enjoy the journey, but if you want to hope right out of uni and into independent private practice med doesn't accommodate for that.
- Speaking very generally, some medical specialties are have a more high stress component to them than working as a dentist. But there's a lot of variation of work environment in med.
- Again, generally, some specialties have less flexibility in work hours than dentistry. But many have equal or more flexibility

I am mainly torn between UQ med and UQ dentistry but other unis are also options regarding both courses
Also I am not really interested in which job earns more than the other. Money isn't a big factor to me :)
Thankyou!
Quick look at your post history show's you've applied widely and you have good results, so congrats on all that :)

tl;dr: I wouldn't recommend one over the other. Pick whatever you want to do/will enjoy in the future.

(On a side note; there is the option of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery: https://www.racds.org/RACDSNEW_Content/Training/OMS_Training_Program.aspx
Which I believe requires both a medical and dental degree, because apparently some especially brilliant people are crazy enough to do both.)
 
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can we have a tl;dr Oer
your character limit exceeded shadowdude
 

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Thanks Oer, A1P and Bangladesh :) really really helpful abd hopefully other people can benefit from this post too
Is dentistry really that limited in terms of specialising? By limited I mean ofcourse it is limited in comparison to medicine but comepared to other professions it has a variety of specialists paths doesn't it? Is it really as boring as people make it sound?
 

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Medicine!

Can't think of any reason why you'd choose dentistry over medicine (except money, lifestyle) because there's just so many specialties in medicine that you're bound to find something you like (contrast to dentistry, which only works with teeth and that area).

*I am biased
*There are probably other reasons
 

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Thanks Oer, A1P and Bangladesh :) really really helpful abd hopefully other people can benefit from this post too
Is dentistry really that limited in terms of specialising? By limited I mean ofcourse it is limited in comparison to medicine but comepared to other professions it has a variety of specialists paths doesn't it? Is it really as boring as people make it sound?
nah you still have 5-6 specialties you can choose from, but most of the work is fairly similar.
 

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Thanks Oer, A1P and Bangladesh :) really really helpful abd hopefully other people can benefit from this post too
Is dentistry really that limited in terms of specialising? By limited I mean ofcourse it is limited in comparison to medicine but comepared to other professions it has a variety of specialists paths doesn't it? Is it really as boring as people make it sound?

A quick Google search tells me that the Royal Australian College of Dental Surgeons recognises 10 dental pathways.

The first is what I imagine the vast majority do, which is general dentistry. That's straightforward enough, we've all been to a general dentist.

There are then nine other specialty pathways:

Dental Public Health: Using statistics and working on a large scale to develop strategies to improve global health across large groups of people. I.E you don't directly work with patients

Endodontics: Working very specifically with the dental pulp (i.e inside of a tooth)

Oral Medicine: Working with those with chronic oral issues

Orthodontics: Making sure everything in the mouth has the right structure (i.e. master of braces)

Paediatric Dentistry: Small mouths

Special Needs Dentistry: Working with those with special conditions that also need dental help/check-ups

Oral Maxillofacial Surgery: Mouth and face surgery, the one that also needs a med degree.

Prosthodontics: Reconstruction and replacement of teeth (crowns and stuff)

Peridontics: Work with gums

SOURCE: http://www.racds.org/RACDSNEW_Content/Education/Specialist_Dental_Practice.aspx



Now I don't know what proportion of those with a dental degree go into each of these pathways, and if you're interested it's definitely something that you can look up in your own time, but I imagine the vast majority are general dentists, followed by orthodontists and paediatric dentists, with very few people doing the rest.

Overall though, you are limited to the mouth, as most of us have said.


To respond to your question, I would say that dentistry is probably more limited than most degrees. A law degree can get you to be like 12 different types of lawyer, or you can work in business, insurance, government, environmental agencies etc. etc. An engineering degree can get you into engineering, research, design, etc. A commerce degree can get you into business, enterpeneurship, banking etc.
A dentistry degree will more or less just get you into dentistry.

Important to note that this doesn't make dentistry a bad degree to follow, it just means that you must enjoy dentistry if you're gonna study it. If you like working people, and with the mouth and teeth, then it won't be boring.
 

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OP just do both and become an oral maxillofacial surgeon lol
You could do med cos way more breadth, see what you find interesting, and if still wanna work with the mouth after try to go for OMS?

(Most likely situation is you'd probably end up changing mind as you learn and wanting to do a different med specialty by the end)
 

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If you want to pursue OMS it is best to do dentistry first then medicine. The flexibility of a dentist means you can both study and work at the same time which is almost impossible the other way around.

Both are equally as competitive to get jobs now so it doesn't make a huge difference but medicine is probably easier to get jobs in certain fields. Flexibility wise, dentistry is the best.

I was offered both dentistry and medicine and now because I want to transition out, I regret not picking dentistry. You live and you learn.
 

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If you want to pursue OMS it is best to do dentistry first then medicine. The flexibility of a dentist means you can both study and work at the same time which is almost impossible the other way around.
Agree with the above.

Dentistry is probably more flexible in terms of lifestyle, but less flexible content-wise in comparison to medicine. My view of dentistry is that it is equivalent to a specialty in medicine with several subspecialties, ie like ophthalmology as a specialty, with paeds, neuro-ophthal, retinal, oculoplastics.

Why does OP like either? What are their expectations of either fields?

I was offered both dentistry and medicine and now because I want to transition out, I regret not picking dentistry. You live and you learn.
Does that mean you don't want to do GP anymore?
 

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I wouldn't go into uni with the intention of becoming an OMS though. It's a long path and who knows what will happen on the way. I'd pick either med or dent based on whether I'd like to be a doctor or dentist more. OMS is always just an option down the line (and definitely the path less travelled).
 

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Does that mean you don't want to do GP anymore?
I have come to the conclusion that doctoring is not a bad job but I won't suit the role. I don't think I would enjoy being a GP but it's back up option.

Oer does have a point there comes a time when you have responsibilities etc. and you may not want to choose to continue studying. We all change our minds as we grow and gather more experience.
 

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I have come to the conclusion that doctoring is not a bad job but I won't suit the role. I don't think I would enjoy being a GP but it's back up option.
What is your primary option? Something related to medicine, but non-clinical? Would you now consider studying dentistry instead?
 

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What is your primary option? Something related to medicine, but non-clinical? Would you now consider studying dentistry instead?
Nope. I would have preferred a corporate role which still interacts with clients or I want to start my own business. If I wanted to work for someone else it would want to find work in a newly founded company that is making an active impact on the world through progressive thinking. It would ideally be an international company which will allow me to experience culture of a different country whilst working. I feel the health system is poorly run by the administrative staff and the people at the top are not progressive thinkers. Kind of wished I realised this earlier but it's what happens when you are a sheltered Asian child.
 

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