2023 HSC chat (8 Viewers)

[No surprises]

The overall HSC mark that you receive in a subject (in this case, Economics), consists of two marks, the average of which produces the HSC mark. The first mark is the Assessment Mark, which reflects your internal performance in the subject. This is the mark that is determined according to your rank relative to your cohort as well as the performance of your cohort in the HSC exam.

The second mark is the Examination Mark, which is the mark that you receive for your HSC exam. This mark depends solely on your own performance in the HSC exam of the subject, and is not affected by factors such as your rank relative to your cohort or your school rank.

Thankss I wanna kms rn

 

[scaryshark09]

OHHH So basically the exam mark is whatever you get in the hsc, and the assessment mark is the one would be affected by the rank
Which means I still can't slack off cuz if I performed poorly in the actual hsc (ill receive a bad exam mark) then I am done.
Because the average will looks something like 40/50 +15/50 then 27.5/50(the actual HSC mark)

Is that right?

yes that is correct

 

[No surprises]

Thankss I wanna kms rn

So the examination mark is not affected by any other factors but whatever I got myself in the exam right?;-;
For instance, I performed really bad in the hsc and got 20/50 for the paper but I got 40/50 for my school mark(due to relatively high rank), so my final mark for economics would be something like 30/50(which is what we call band 4?)

 

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[No surprises]

yes that is correct

Thanks maybe I need to stop slacking off rn.

 

[jc7726]

is nsw the only state where english HAS to count

 

[carrotsss]

is nsw the only state where english HAS to count

don’t think so

 

[scaryshark09]

@carrotsss or anyone, what happens if there's 10 people in a cohort with raw assessment marks between 70 and 95.
and then in the HSC, everyone gets 90 exam marks.
how would the moderated assessment marks work then??

 

[carrotsss]

@carrotsss or anyone, what happens if there's 10 people in a cohort with raw assessment marks between 70 and 95.
and then in the HSC, everyone gets 90 exam marks.
how would the moderated assessment marks work then??

I’m assuming you mean in a cohort of much more people than 10 (if it was a cohort of just 10 theyd just all get 90), not everyone would get 90. the way nesa calculates it is they give the top mark to the top person, bottom to the bottom and then they adjust the people in between such that mean moderated mark and exam mark are the same, and the mark differences/ranking distribution is approximately the same (assuming you know this but just in case), and so what will likely happen is due to the mark differences, some of them should get marks slightly higher than 90 and some slightly lower, depending on how large the broader range of exam marks is and how large the range of raw internals within the cohort is.

 

[scaryshark09]

I’m assuming you mean in a cohort of much more people than 10 (if it was a cohort of just 10 theyd just all get 90), not everyone would get 90. the way nesa calculates it is they give the top mark to the top person, bottom to the bottom and then they adjust the people in between such that mean moderated mark and exam mark are the same, and the mark differences/ranking distribution is approximately the same (assuming you know this but just in case), and so what will likely happen is due to the mark differences, some of them should get marks slightly higher than 90 and some slightly lower, depending on how large the broader range of exam marks is and how large the range of raw internals within the cohort is.

yeh ok, so in this 1/1000000000 chance that all 10 people get exactly 90, its possible for the hgihest moderated mark to be above 90 (lets say 94), even tho no one got over 90 in the exam (they all got 90)????
ik this would never happen, but i was stumped at what would happen cause ik they need to distribute the marks to represent the gaps, but ive never heard of the highest moderated mark being higher than the highest exam mark (cuase it isn't meant to be)
i would be interested to know what nesa would do in this case

 

[carrotsss]

yeh ok, so in this 1/1000000000 chance that all 10 people get exactly 90, its possible for the hgihest moderated mark to be above 90 (lets say 94), even tho no one got over 90 in the exam (they all got 90)????
ik this would never happen, but i was stumped at what would happen cause ik they need to distribute the marks to represent the gaps, but ive never heard of the highest moderated mark being higher than the highest exam mark (cuase it isn't meant to be)
i would be interested to know what nesa would do in this case

oh I thought you meant in a cohort of more than 10

in a cohort of only 10 people everyone one would get 90 yes

 

[scaryshark09]

oh I thought you meant in a cohort of more than 10

in a cohort of only 10 people everyone one would get 90 yes

wait what??????
this seems kinda unfair that they would all get 90, when their raw assesment marks are between 70-95

 

[carrotsss]

wait what??????
this seems kinda unfair that they would all get 90, when their raw assesment marks are between 70-95

from NESAs perspective the top assessment mark is actually 90 and the bottom assessment mark is also actually 90, so there’s zero mark distribution

that being said if they didn’t all get the same raw exam marks then hypothetically there would still be a very small distribution of raw assessment marks, and the first person would get the highest one and last would get the lowest one

 

[scaryshark09]

from NESAs perspective the top assessment mark is actually 90 and the bottom assessment mark is also actually 90, so there’s zero mark distribution

that being said if they didn’t all get the same raw exam marks then hypothetically there would still be a very small distribution of raw assessment marks, and the first person would get the highest one and last would get the lowest one

wait, so if my whole year group gets exactly 100 in every exam, we would all get 99.95 atars??
what happens with that considering only 45-50 people can get 99.95 as its a rank

 

[scaryshark09]

btw this is super realistic, we have all been grinding for the past 10 years for this point. we are all garenteed 100 raw in everything. be ready james ruse, watch out for ____________________ (my school)

 

[synthesisFR]

btw this is super realistic, we have all been grinding for the past 10 years for this point. we are all garenteed 100 raw in everything. be ready james ruse, watch out for ____________________ (my school)

clown college

 

[carrotsss]

wait, so if my whole year group gets exactly 100 in every exam, we would all get 99.95 atars??
what happens with that considering only 45-50 people can get 99.95 as its a rank

i mean it’s very hypothetical but yes probably, the aggregate for 99.95 would skyrocket and then NESA would sue you all for cheating

 

[its_ace21]

btw this is super realistic, we have all been grinding for the past 10 years for this point. we are all garenteed 100 raw in everything. be ready james ruse, watch out for ____________________ (my school)

im crying my school wants to pass jr i want to die

 

[SadCeliac]

clown college

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[Zara_m21]

Hii could someone pls help me with refining my essay dieas for common module and module A i wiill be eternally gratefull im soo stucl rn
sooo my crucible ideas are
1.
‘the universal and individual experience of transgression and redemption is examined in The Crucible through the character of John Proctor as he struggles with the wider consequences of his actions and the internal conflict that arose from those actions’
→ Examined through John Proctor have committed the transgression of adultery.
2.
Salem witch trials conveys the destructive nature of fear through mass hysteria in the 16th century Salem witch trials exposing the conflicting ideologies in the McCarthy era.

• Ungrounded fear within a threatened community

3.
Through the portrayal of characters like Abigail Williams, and Reverend Hale, the audience is able to gain insight into the misuse of authority

• Miller is able to demonstrate the power that ideological systems hold over a community ’

The audience realizes that the role of adversity has helped the powerless to become powerful
→ the structure magnifies this by setting itself in a theocratic society.

MY MODULE A IDEAS ARE - hagseed and tempest
1. Her integration of Third Wave Feminist and decoloniality values clash with Shakespeare's Jacobean values which promote female silence and sexualisation
2. Both texts explore the literal and metaphorical means of imprisonment and the damaging consequences it has on Indigenous communities through colonialism.
3. The volatile feature of human nature within both texts acts as a drive throughout the representation of complex issues of power, control and authority in regards to the context of rising political power.
I will be soo grateful if someone could help me in making my ideas concise and not thematic