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No, I do not forfeit my arguement... I still stand by what I have always believed... some people are subjugated overseas... You, on the other hand, believe that most are. I'm just saying that from this point onwards, arguing between "some" and "more" sounds absolutely ridiculous. I'm just...

Oh, give me a break. That was so not what I meant. Subjugation goes on everywhere. Even Australia. Duh.

It was implied that you meant all. I thought during our entire discussion that you meant all. What do I care if you say most or whatever? At least you're not narrow minded to think that everyone is subjugated in those countries. I just hope you realise that levels of subjugation and...

It came from an Islamic country. Yeah I agree. So? What does Islam, the doctrine, have to do with this?

What does Islam have to do with this?

Good. I'm glad we have progressed a bit. You conceded it was not all. Well, I too, will concede that, yes, some are subjugated. I was mostly fussy about your use of the word all in your posts. I think we have reached an understanding. Good day.

What's the point of this article? To show how safe it is in Australia for Indians? So the death of Nitin Garg (among others) means nothing now, does it? Because Australia is safer?

And when I replied to that post, didn't you concede that you can't say that about all Muslim women? Or are you contradicting yourself?

So wearing an itty bitty piece of cloth over the face is a way of destroying a culture? Pretty weird definition of a culture then.

No, actually, I said in my previous post that the statistics you provided were correct. Go ahead, and insist on calling me an apologist. Yeah, the plight of some women and men in those countries would obviously be sad. But, um, excuse me? Who are you to continually insist that ALL are...

Ugh. Why can't you see that no matter how many statistics you shove down my throat, that it is pointless measuring a person's happiness and contentment by one factor. You continually assert that the government restricts the freedoms of Muslims overseas, and while that is undeniably true, it is...

No, that wasn't my point. When a person grows they develop their own opinions about religion, so no matter what the societal expectations are, they will believe whatever they want to, regardless of whether they make it public or not. So, if a person had left their religion without making it...

How does covering oneself lead to the "destruction" of French culture "by a bunch of muslim immigrants?"

Haha. ok

By your logic, how can you say that all Muslim women who cover themselves are forced, scared of being ostracized/killed or brainwashed?

Oh, really? So, according to you, people are forced to believe something they don't want to believe? I don't think that's possible. There have been cases of people leaving Islam. Some notable ones too. You know, many Muslim countries, the majority actually, don't enforce the head...

Saudi Arabia doesn't enforce the face garment. Just a head covering. Women who cover their faces, do it because they choose to. And women are allowed to be employed. What are you talking about? Property? Now that, is just an exaggeration.

I'm an apologist? No, what you're doing is condemning people to a life of misery that they might not even be living. You're saying that these individuals would be happier if their governement and religion allowed them to. Well, um, in case you hadn't noticed, religion is a choice in the sense...

Oh, don't worry. I'm quite grateful to Western society for all the opportunities it has afforded me. I'm actually quite happy living here. But. I've travelled overseas before, and I've witnessed firsthand how happy many Muslim women and men are there, despite any political turmoil. That is...

Seriously? How typical, assuming all muslim women are subjugated by their husbands. Yeah right.