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That is only relevant if the original was true to begin with -- which is the whole point of the argument.

No you don't have to prove it, but -- 1. This is a discussion forum. If you don't want to discuss it, that's perfectly fine but what are you doing here? 2. If you do not give reasons then do not expect people to take you seriously. I am sure that you would not take me seriously if I said...

Let's keep this thread about Muslim people in Australia please

You have not answered the question. You keep replying with your belief, not the reason behind your belief. This is your argument: 1. The Quran cannot be reproduced by anyone today. 2. Therefore everything that is written in it is true. If you cannot see how utterely illogical that...

But how do you know that it is so? I could say that Alice in Wonderland is the absolute truth, because I "know that it is so". You would not of course take my word for it. If you cannot question why you actually believe the things you do, I am afraid you truly are the one who is blind. While...

Agh, dodgy legal reporting from the SMH. Lacking in detail as always! I wonder if this is Spiegleman CJ's doing, since he was behind the change in uniformity to magistrate's being called "your honour".

I think there is a lot that can be taken from the film -- and sometimes it is the feeling that is produced rather than the plot that makes a movie so compelling. There are many interpretations, which I love. If you really are craving to be spoon-fed the director's actual story, then read the...

Sometimes I really doubt your commitment to sparkle motion! Watch it again.

I wholeheartedly agree; it very much disgusts me. Upon my limited understanding of the facts, the thugs responsible deserve to be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law. Though we have our occasional incidents, it makes me very thankful for living where I do.

But how do you know that it is perfect? What does this mean -- what do you mean that it cannot be altered? How do you know this? Those are the beliefs, they are not the reasons for believing the beliefs are true. I am asking why the beliefs are true, not what the beliefs are. Again, these are...

The original issue was why people called themselves agnostic as opposed to atheist. The first few pages contained several responses to this question, before an unrecoverable tangent set in. I think that is about all the answers that will turn up for now, and seeing as there are other threads...

Threads have been merged.

This thread has transmogrified into a thread about Islam and other religions, of which there are ample discussions already existing. I am in the process of cleaning things up and I have closed it for now.

I know, it pains me also. I am in the process of cleaning things up to limit the threads, bare with me

It seems this thread has gone down a highly absurd tangent. The quality of the prose does not in anyway prove the existence of a God. (Not only that, but I do not see that the quality is anything spectacular anyway.) I really hope you have better reasons that demonstrate the truth of the text...

How enlightening. But having glanced at bits and pieces from the translation, I can confidently say that Mr John Keats far surpasses whomever wrote that book. As for Shakespeare, don't even get me started. I kind of like your philosophy though, worshipping people for being good writers. I...

Um, I hate to burst your bubble but how do you know that the Quran is true?

If I may ask, did you obtain some sort of government grant or does an affluent relative, God rest their soul, have anything to do with the financial underpinnings of this revelation?

I generally agree with you but for the record, unless Tony Abbott becomes PM, the "conservatory" government is not out to ban abortions.

If he gave humans free will then he doesn't control them, does he? Ergo laughing at their (unpredictable) behaviour is perfectly plausible. Anyway it was a joke and you missed the point: most of the assertions about God are not only unfounded, but most of the time absurd. This amazes me. How can...