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I know! I had absolutely no idea they existed and am definitely considering becoming more involved.

Mainly because it has been proven wrong so many times and is the cause of so many atrocities and tells billions of people that they must believe in a God responsible for slaughter and murder the world over or else they will suffer eternal torture and torment. I don't mean to antagonize, but...

Well let me put it this way: are you aware of the scientific facts regarding evolution, the creation of the world, cosmology and biology that, on so many accounts, prove both the Bible and Quran wrong?

Exactly. Quite frankly I think that such Bronze-Age nonsense survives into the present day is not because its claims have any veracity, which they clearly don't, but because of an ignorance of the facts on the part of those that believe. I think that very few people believe in religion in...

It is. Well, it hasn't been altered as such ... the new testament was added, changed and edited as the Early Church saw fit and we don't really even know where parts of the Old Testament come from. I personally think the Bible is a barbaric, violent and disgusting book, so you won't offend me...

Oh I see. Well that explains your criticism of the Bible, at any rate. :P

Very much so. Yourself?

As I said in another thread on a similar topic: Oh and if someone dares to say it doesn't count because it's in the Old Testament I will happily recount what the writers of the New Testament invented and stole to support their cause, such as the Last Supper, virgin birth, Judas' betrayal...

Of course. I was not implying otherwise.

Of course. The logical extension then is that when the Book not only has no moral consistency or any element of timelessness and is full of mistakes, fabrications and logical inconsistencies, it is quite clearly not divine. If God designed the universe in all its complexity and intricacy, he...

Not at all, because such superstition has nothing to do with an almighty, totalitarian God with a laundry list of crimes against humanity in his past who expects us to feel loved by his abuse, blame and then redemption through vicious human sacrifice and is thus rather harmless.

Give me, then, a secular, scientifically substantiated reason why homosexuals are not allowed to marry in our state. Such inequality and discrimination is advanced, in this regard, by an exclusively religious discourse in this country and many others. Our constitution says that the government...

That's fine. Now please kindly keep your bronze-age nonsense out of our legal system.

@Name_Taken You are once again missing the point. To deny that such nonsensical dogma has an influence on the decision-making process of our society would be ignoring the reality of the situation. Let me try and spell it out for you. The constitution guarantees freedom of religion and the...

Which is fine. However they are elected to a secular authority and are employed to make their decisions, one would think, based on what is best for society and what is substantiated and existent rather than superstition and fear, and by voting down proposals on gay marriage, that is exactly what...

I absolutely would not. Not anymore they don't. Of course it is. It compromises the secularity of our nation. The government and constitution are not to favour one religion view over another, but here we are saying Christian prayers before parliament convenes, discriminating against...

A secular nation discriminating on religious reasoning, having Christian prayers before convening the legislative assembly that rules on its laws, acknowledging that we are all 'humbly relying on the blessings of Almighty God' in its constitution and then being influenced by an exclusively...

When they force it on others in a mode unbecoming of the secularity of our nation is when it becomes a problem ...

You probably missed it as it's just after that Lentern guy started spouting rubbish. I wholeheartedly agree.

But it does have a hold on government.