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i feel quite disappointed to here that from Mr Baird. he is a family friend, and he turns up for lunch sometimes in a classy suit in some classy wheels. federal ministers should take some initiative with their 'pursuit of the countries interests' by taking a pay cut i think this sort of thing...

i agree with that. it leaves a danger of pushing of the boundaries of what is classed as 'just under religious beliefs or culture' just as josip and trefoil said. i think too big a deal is being made over this. australian's dont even feel patriotic about our national anthem anyway. pulling...

when you edit a post is it automatically viewed to others with 'edit:' in front of it? or do you need to do that yourself

i think her comment was a bit out of line. you guys aren't just arguing for the sake of arguing, you and tommy would believe it if we had proof as you have said previously. disproving god would be hard even if there was no support of god and few christians in the world. something i believe...

when was god disproved.........

that argument is fallacious firstly because it appeals to majority, have you really counted? don't use numbers when they don't mean anything. secondly you imply these sightings are confirmed. which you can't really

you say we are picking and choosing? you just selectively decided to ignore so many things we have already addressed

im kind of happy that we are starting a new english concept, means not as many people can scab notes from previous years.

i have posted before on the word 'good'. the ONLY distinction in god's eyes is whether someone is sinfull, or sinless. everyone is sinful. it is not a matter of varying amounts of sin. we are all sinners. in god's eyes a serial killer and someone who cursed once, are on the same level. also...

what an unfair generalisation, to judge someone's overall intelligence more or less on the basis of whether i believe the same as you. but you have accidently stumbled upon grace. the truth is that there is not a single reason that a great and powerful god would care about me in the slightest...

explain how what i said isn't logical

you obviously don't know much about christianity if you think it is about works.

firstly, i don't imply you simply 'don't understand' secondly, again i can't answer if i can't answer in full. in regards to the question, only a full answer is a true reflection of the word 'yes' or 'no' lastly, no i am not. it is a relational god that allows us to believe in him. i have no...

the flaw of that argument is that it is only human failing that causes that. god promotes the spreading of the good news. humans fail to uphold the request properly.

again that is a different claim to 'a deity being a god of relationships'. it is you attempting to have a relationship with a deity.

hmm i don't think restricting me to a yes no answer to sum up my entire thoughts of religion is good argumentative ethics on your part. inevitably the restriction allows me no explanation, and the explanation of the reasoning behind it is the only important part

i see. well it only seems to claim the deity created the world. the belief in god comes from a relationship with him. not simply speculation that he created the world.

by personal experience, i mean god reaching down to someone. people are not the initiaters. the mentally disabled example is one where god has not made himself present. so its different

reply to my query below

i don't know about the 'religion' centred on that, but do its followers claim to have a relationship with the spaghetti monster? (i'm not being rhetorical, brief outline of their beliefs would be appreciated)