Originally posted by Rorix
I challenge you to find one respect expert who denies that environment plays a part in homosexuality. Why, I think an HSC Biology student would disagree with you here.
I was referring to one having the choice. I'm well aware that the environment in which a person grows up is a factor. I'm not aware that a person has a conscious choice to make in their lives, possibly because, according to most psychologists, including Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung, homosexuality is not a choice.
Wait so, your argument can be summarised as following: Giving homosexuals the right to marry isn't actually giving them anything, because heterosexuals will be allowed to marry too!
You'll have to point out where I went wrong there, because otherwise I might have to use a rather dirty word - logical fallacy.
I never said giving anyone specific the right to marry. I said allowing people to marry someone of the same-sex. This may benefit only one group, but marriage as it is now only benefits one group too. Broaden the law to be inclusive.
Originally posted by neo_o
Judging from recent events, you'll be banned so there's no point in responding. However, just for everyone else...
I said you're making yourself look like a bigger fucktard. I think I said that because you said that "allowing homosexuals to marry gives them an extra right." How many homosexuals do you see marrying people of the opposite sex? I'm aware there are exceptions, but most of these exceptions are for fraudulant reasons (such as immigration). Look at both sides of the scale before you make bullshit comments.
Australia isn't secular. Australia is 70% Christian.
With secular government.
Polls also indicate the majority of people do not support gay marriage, so in a perfect world, gay marriage actually wouldn't be allowed.
Polls are bullshit. The most fair way to obtain people's opinions would be an election. That way one person can't vote multiple times (for whichever side they chose).
Then why put up with my arguments, or eviltama's, or anyone's for that matter. Why not just use the ignore feature. It's there for a reason.
I presume you are referring to evil_tama as the expert? It's both logical and also one of the fundamentals of genetics that both environmental factors and genetic factors influence an organism's development. Here's a link from the bio forum :
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34982
That goes into the effect that presence/lack of light has upon plants. It should be obvious, even to you, that environmental factors play a role in development. Oh, additionally please give me links for the so called experts that say that genetics purely govern an individuals behaviour. Thanks.
I didn't argue about genetics MUST. That's not true, the identical twins experiment proved that. In a set of identical twins, if there was a so-called "gay gene" then both twins would end up being gay. The majority of the time it was one or the other.
I disagree with your choice "theory." I don't think anyone has come to a crossroads in their lives where they decided who they liked. It was either one or the other (or both for bisexual people).
Links aren't necessary, search the Internet, or read books on Sigmund Freud's or Carl Jung's study of sexuality.
5) Do you agree that allowing homosexual marriage is an additional right? GOOD. Do you agree that homosexuals are a minority group? GOOD. Then, from that logic, we are giving an additional right to a minority group. Also, I wonder how many straight people in Denmark marry people of the same sex? You call my argument "bullshit", heh.
I argue that heterosexual marriage gives heterosexual people an extra right. Heterosexual marriage is something that homosexual people would never choose to use. You argue that homosexual marriage is an extra right to homosexual people, since it allows same-sex couples to do something that heterosexuals would never choose to do. Broaden the law out and get rid of the "man and woman", replace it with "two consenting adults" and problem solved. People can marry whoever the hell they want then, as long as they're both consenting adults.
I was throwing irony at your argument, though surprisingly, for someone who claims to be so knowledgeable, you missed it.
Remember, though, don't like me, ignore me. The feature is there for you to use.
