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Black Saturday: Mother Russia offered fire jets but Australian govt rejected it (1 Viewer)

Should the Australian government accepted the Russian offer?


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Russian offer of fire jets rejected

AS BUSHFIRES consumed Victorian lives, forests, homes and townships in February, the Russian Government offered to send two of the world's biggest and most advanced waterbombers to the battle.


Each of the giant Ilyushin-76 jets could drop in a single pass 42,000 litres of water or retardant on a fire - almost five times the maximum capacity of the ''Elvis'' skycrane helicopters.


However, the offer, which came from the highest levels of the Government of the Russian Federation, was rejected, according to the Russian embassy in Canberra.
The Ilyushin Il-76 airlifter.




The Russian offer seems to have been lost in the confusion engulfing federal and Victorian authorities as they tried to deal with the disastrous fires, which cost 173 lives.


A spokesman for Emergency Management Australia, a division of the federal Attorney-General's Department, said: ''During a severe natural disaster such as the Victorian bushfires many offers of international assistance are provided.
''As states and territories have primary responsibility for dealing with natural disasters, all offers of international assistance are forwarded to relevant state and territory agencies for their assessment.''


However, a spokeswoman for the Victorian Government said that despite a search of all available material, no record of the Russian offer could be found.
A spokesman for the Country Fire Authority said he also knew nothing of the proposal, but would make further inquiries.


A spokesman for the Russian embassy in Canberra, Yaroslav Eremin, told The Age that the aircraft - part of a purpose-built fleet on standby in Russia to fight fires anywhere in the world - could have been in Australia within two days. They were not being used, because the northern hemisphere was in winter while Victoria burnt.


He said the offer was made through diplomatic channels directly from the Russian Government to the Australian Government. But the response from Australia, which he said ''took some time'' was that the planes were not required.


Mr Eremin said he did not wish to speculate about why the offer might have been rejected, but said that ''it seems the Australian firefighting authorities felt they were well equipped'' to handle the emergency.


He said he did not wish to say precisely when the offer was made, but said it was in February when the ''fires were already burning''.
The IL-76 waterbombers were developed to fight wildfires in remote areas of Russia such as Siberia, but have been used to fight major fires in Greece, Portugal and Yugoslavia.


Their two large water tanks are capable of being filled in 10 to 12 minutes and can be dumped in a single burst, producing a downpour akin to heavy rain over an area 550 metres long by 100 metres wide. If the tanks are emptied sequentially, the saturated area extends to 900 metres by 65 metres.


In a letter submitted to the Victorian Bushfires Royal Commission last week, the Russian ambassador to Australia, Alexander Blokhin, said experts from the Russian Ministry of Emergencies estimated that two such aircraft ''would have been enough to cope with the firefighting task near Melbourne in February 2009''.
He also stated that a smaller, Russian-built firefighting jet, the amphibian Beriev BE-200, which can scoop 9000 litres of water from the sea - even with waves of up to 1.5 metres running - could have stopped the East Kilmore fire ''in one or two hours if the firefighting operation started in due time''.


The East Kilmore fire eventually consumed Kinglake.


The Russian ambassador's comments were contained in a submission to the royal commission from a member of the Australian-Russia Business Council, Luke Fraser.
Mr Fraser submitted that the commission and Australian firefighting authorities should consider more advanced firefighting technologies and complementary organisational strategies than those currently employed.
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and the international communist conspiracy
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In Soviet Russia, waterbomber rejects you!
 

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The plane could've doused a fair chunk of the flaming land in one run. It could've prevented a lot of deaths. However, it could've required a small fortune to fuel, fill etc the plane, and maybe the benefits of this mammoth firefighter did not justify the costs. Would've been awesome to see that plane in flight imo.

Maybe the Labor Party really isn't taking orders from Moscow... :p
 

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It was rejected because of red tape, not because of an actual decision to turn it down.

They probably would have hidden Yuri in it anyway.
 

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I guess none of you have flown a plane. Even a tiny Cessna has to go through checks. This offer came only a few days before the fires died down. Then they would have to pass checks by the relevant authorities. Most people were killed quite soon, so they wouldn't have made much difference.
WTF is all this Cold War crap?
 

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Meh, I thought that the major issue was the speed of the fire, not our inadequate resources. Just poor old Ruskis victimising themselves and asserting that they have great power status to distract from negative attention during the anniversary of the fall of the wall
 

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The plane could've doused a fair chunk of the flaming land in one run. It could've prevented a lot of deaths. However, it could've required a small fortune to fuel, fill etc the plane, and maybe the benefits of this mammoth firefighter did not justify the costs. Would've been awesome to see that plane in flight imo.

Maybe the Labor Party really isn't taking orders from Moscow... :p
lives>$?

it wouldnt have been worth it if they couldnt get here in time (duh)

need more info, would have been nice if they made the offer sooner
 

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1. Russia is likely overselling the effectiveness of the planes, however it seems that they may well have been of some assistance.

2. There would probably have been a cost associated with using the planes, perhaps a very considerable one.

3. Lives are not priceless - and nor are they worthless. We must ascribe a finite value to life or we can not evaluate the comparative benefits (NPV) of different ideas.

4. It seems that it was a case of bureaucratic bungling that the offer was lost rather than a deliberate spurning. I imagine that in a crisis situation everyone was pretty busy so things got missed. Regardless of the crisis situation though it is unacceptable for things to get missed and chaos to prevail - this is why we have crisis response teams, centres, organisations, etc.

5. It seems likely that administrative red tape would have delayed the operational readiness of the planes. This is pretty shit in and of itself.
 

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lives>$?

it wouldnt have been worth it if they couldnt get here in time (duh)

need more info, would have been nice if they made the offer sooner
Wasn't suggesting that money is more important than lives, soz about that. But maybe it'd be more effective that the cost of one of these planes could fund more water-bombing craft, which combined could cover a greater area. I dunno.

Is there a link to the article somewhere?
 

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