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Rekkusu said:
B Psych and B Sci (majoring in Psyc) are actually 2 different fields. In B Psych that's where you graduate as a Psychiatrist, whereas with B Sci (Psyc), you'll be researching in Psychology-related fields.
I hate to say this, but it's completely wrong. Both B Psyc and B Sc (major Psyc) will result in the same specialisation and there is virtually NO difference between the two, except in B Psy, thereis 1 Psyc subject limited only to B Psy students. Other than that, you will graduate both with a psychology major. What you want to do with it is up to you.

Psychiatrists are those graduated with a MBBS (Medicine) specialised in Psychiatry. It is different from psychology.
 

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Rekkusu said:
B Psych and B Sci (majoring in Psyc) are actually 2 different fields. In B Psych that's where you graduate as a Psychiatrist, whereas with B Sci (Psyc), you'll be researching in Psychology-related fields.

You can of course Major in Psych, however with this Major sequence, you'll still have some spaces left in your semester, after doing about 1-2 semesters at UNSW + alot of reading of B Sci degree, you'll be familiar with the Academic rules.
Pscyhiatrists are medical practioners not just bPsych grads. You can do many degrees that will lead you to be a psychologist, like arts, science, psych.
 

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Thanks survivor and relox; rekkusu confused me a tad there, saying things different, if not opposite, to what I'd been told / had known.
I'm still quiering about having to choose other science subs though. I cannot do, and thus greatly dislike, subjects relating to science other than those concerning psych. Its been suggested I could pick up something like a human science should I need to, but I gave up PDHPE [and chose the easy sub of Senior Science] for a reason..! Really considering transferring to bpsy at the end of the year.. Been told though I need to reapply through UAC, and will be [obviously] competing with those wanting in on the degree that year via [and this is where Im either confused or have forgotten] my UAI and/or degree results. Regardless, I'll make an attempt; what does one have to lose [rhetoric; don't answer that, i feel depressed about the near future enough already].
Thanks also for your comments and answers; just shows me you're either very organised or that uni isn't as demanding full-on study as I've been told.
 

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Haha thanks Velox & Survivor for the corrections! I'm still learning everything on the way, best to ask Survivor for anything science related, since he's the best and only UNSW encylopedia we have here on BOS. I'm sorry if I misleaded you emma.

By the way, what I'm about to tell you is 100% true, if you wish to transfer to B Psychology next year or even Mid-Entry 2007 (Not sure if there is mid-entry for this degree, call up School of Psych for details) you should contemplate on choosing a degree that you will completely nail i.e. B Arts or any degree that has less contact hours, and less material to memorise for exams.

As it is common knowledge around the world, that Faculty of Science students receive MUCH lower marks on average than the other students due to the contact hours, etc.

Also, almost everything goes through UAC during your undergraduate period if you intend to change your degree. Exceptions for B Adv Science students wanting to fall back to B Science.
 

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Haha thanks Velox & Survivor for the corrections! I'm still learning everything on the way, best to ask Survivor for anything science related, since he's the best and only UNSW encylopedia we have here on BOS. I'm sorry if I misleaded you emma.

By the way, what I'm about to tell you is 100% true, if you wish to transfer to B Psychology next year or even Mid-Entry 2007 (Not sure if there is mid-entry for this degree, call up School of Psych for details) you should contemplate on choosing a degree that you will completely nail i.e. B Arts or any degree that has less contact hours, and less material to memorise for exams.

As it is common knowledge around the world, that Faculty of Science students receive MUCH lower marks on average than the other students due to the contact hours, etc.


Also, almost everything goes through UAC during your undergraduate period if you intend to change your degree. Exceptions for B Adv Science students wanting to fall back to B Science.
Wouldnt be sure about that. The scaling of courses is reasonably similar.
 

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Generous scaling? I don't think it exists in the School of BABS. :(
 

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There might be some helpful information here... (the pdf under Bachelor of Science):
http://www.psy.unsw.edu.au/study/undergrad/index.html
There’s also a psychology student guide: http://www.psy.unsw.edu.au/Study/Student_Info/Student_Guide_2006.pdf

To reiterate, B Psych and B Sci majoring in psychology has little difference. Sure, Bachelor of Psychology has a fancier name but since you want to do ‘psych psych psych’, you’re probably wanting to become a registered psychologist? For that you’ll need to do postgraduate psych and that’s the degree that matters more. And if you transfer, going back to do that extra B Psych course (PSYC1021) might even be a bit of a hassle... Oh, but one more thing.. B Psych ‘guarantees’ you honours year if maintain distinction average. However, if you are able to transfer into B Psych, you’d probably have no problems getting into honours anyway.

Your WAM in the first 3 years might affect your entry to honours but.. if you do do it, your psych honours grade is determined only by 2nd, 3rd and 4th year psychology courses and thesis. So even if you have to do science courses you don’t like, and don’t do very well in, it will only affect your WAM and not your honours grade.
 

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Rekkusu ; I spoke to the psych fac and they gave me http://www.psy.unsw.edu.au/study/Student_Info/UG_FASSBooklet_2004.pdf which, upon my own inspection of 1 stage 1 point 3, requires me to do..a science! I quierie number 2 though, as its only 3 years, but the small print under b suggests I could change unis, but would I really want to do that in my 4th year..? Also, is the honours year tied to the major of your degree, as in would a BSc person majoring in philosophy have the chance to do their honours in something like psychology, or, now that I think about it, the 3 years prior are really a build up to that 4th year arent they. So scrap that, or correct me if im wrong.

Lain ; postgrad is where you specialise, so I gather. Registration as a psychologist by the APS only requires 4 years incl honours, and through post grad you can also be a member [of the APS]. Quick q -what is the WAM ?

I've been questioning my ability to stick the science degree out, and really just blaming my lack of enthusiasm towards the end of school for my poor marks that have caused all this hassle [not to mention the marks made me question my own ability to see through uni full stop. Its like they're out to get and prevent anyone with marks lower than around 85 to become a professional psychologist without doing something they greatly dislike or putting in a few extra years -which I'm seriously considering, I don't think I could care less being a student at 30]. Just made attempts at changing my UAC pref but silly emma left it too late and is now unable to do so. What a pisser. Ps what do I do now, anyone
 
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Emma, please don't stress! It's not worth stressing over, save the stressing when the uni exams come. I'm being serious. :p

What everyone are trying to tell you is B Psyc = B Sc (Psyc) There is 0.1% Difference!!

In either case you will STILL have to do non-psyc subjects.

In both case, you still have to perform well to get into Honours.

If you get into B Sc, don't worry about transferring to B Psyc. It's not worth it.

Please don't stress too much over this :p
 

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The APS doesn’t do any registration… the official registration as a psychologist (so you can legally call yourself one) requires 6 years and is done by another Board. As for registering for membership with the APS… there are different types of membership you can have. E.g.As an undergraduate, you can still be registered as a student member.

The Weighted Average Mark is the average of all final assessment results you have.. but don't worry about that, it was confusing and irrelevant.

I think your main concern now is the uncertainty of studying the Bachelor of Science? You might not think of yourself as a science-y person, but actually… the science in the B Science is the science of psychology (if you major in it)! You said earlier you didn’t like the idea of sciences like microbiology and physiology… the ‘hard’ sciences, and that’s fine! Most of the ‘science’ required comes from the psychology as I will explain now…

I’m not sure if you have you seen this file: http://www.psy.unsw.edu.au/study/Student_Info/UG_BScBooklet_2004.pdf
You can major in psychology and minor in almost anything else, including humanities.

For B Sci, requirement #7 states 84 UOC of science. Most courses are 6 UOC (you probably already know, but one course is like a subject, and normally you do 4 courses/subjects a semester). In the 3 years, there are 14 psychology courses you can study. That actually makes 84 UOC already! However, requirement #4 says 24 UOC of science in your 1st year. That’s 4 courses. Two of them are psychology courses, that means you will only have to do 2 other science courses in your first year. Everything else you do in year 2/3 will either be psychology or courses related to your minor

There are a few courses that aren’t ‘hard’ science that can be counted as science. There’s the maths, and there’s also philosophy. Philosophy (and biology) is a really popular elective/filler in psychology degrees. Or you can try ‘History and Philosophy of Science’ courses, or ‘Food Science and Nutrition’ courses (FOOD1230).

To satisfy other requirements, you also need 24 UOC at Year 2/3 for your minor. Conveniently, in 2nd and 3rd year, after doing the psychology courses, there is 24 UOC worth of space left to study courses for your minor. However, to do 2nd year courses, you will likely need to do 1st year courses. Luckily, there’s also room for you to do that in 1st year, even after the psychology and ‘other science’. Also, to satisfy other requirements, it ends up you will need to study all General Education courses in year 1. So in the end it fits like this:

Year 1 Semester 1 courses: Psychology, ‘Science’, Minor, Gen. Ed.
Year 1 Semester 2: Psychology, ‘Science’, Minor, Gen. Ed.
Year 2 Sem 1: Psychology, psychology, psychology, minor.
Year 2 Sem 2: Psychology, psychology, minor, minor
Year 3 Sem 1: Psychology, psychology, psychology, minor.
Year 3 Sem 2: Psychology, psychology, psychology psychology.

Since there are a number of ‘science’ courses you can choose from that aren’t too science-y, and since you only have to do two of them, your concern now might be what (non-science area) you want to minor in!

If you are passionate about psychology and a career in it, then I think you are already one step ahead! There are actually a number of different opportunities and options for a career in psychology. It probably won't be easy straightforward, but even if it means going to another uni on the other side of the country, or studying until you're 30.. or whatever, to be corny, it's the journey and not just the destination! Opportunities come and go, and what is not an option now, may be an option later.

Anyway.. hope this (essay) helps! (Please check the info though.. I might be wrong)
 

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Thank you guys so much - Iruka, Survivor, and especially you Lain, for the trouble you went to to calm the naive newbie. I had just simply given up and convinced myself to do BA, really without much thought but in defeat. Perhaps divine intervention raised the UAI out of my reach.. Whichever; my partener said he'd help me get through the first year science stuff [and similarily suggested to try out Food Sci & Nutri - a dropped-out ex-psych student said philosophy, although popular, suggested I shouldn't choose it..], keep me motivated, all the rest. He's a champ, as are you lot. Thanks again. Emma
 

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Yes I believe the other choice you are referring to is to "do really well in a degree you like & believe will obtain the highest marks possible", this way you can possibly transfer to B Psychology the following year, again through UAC.

Unfortunately if you do it this way, all the marks obtained in the first year of that degree will be completely wiped clean, i.e. if you did BA or BSci at UNSW, then successfully transferred to B Psych, you would be treated as a completely new student to UNSW.

Philosophy definitely should not be chosen as a major or a minor, you can for fun try it out as an elective course, but it's quite boring most of the time, and the marks you get are reflected off essays and short assessments, sometimes exams.

Food nutrition?? xD noo, stay within something that you believe you'll do well, this way you have a much better chance of transferring. This is actually a technique that some want-to-be Medical students do.

But yes, Good Luck for your Main Round + Late Round offers!
 

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Right well I'm home now, and accepted BSc. Arts was too far out of my reach unfortunately. Transfer to b psych after a year will more than likely be attempted. But really thanks to all for your help; hopefully this has provided some direction for others as it undoubtedly did me. -Emma
 

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For those wanting an update [as i procrastinate with much enthusiasm], im doing the BSc double majoring in psychology and loving it; doing 2 arts [educational psych and sociology] and 2 science subs [psych and maths grr maths] first session and 3 science subs [psych maths and science communication] and a gen ed [textiles] in session 2. as is expected in a science degree that there is some level of science subjects done, but after this year no more maths ever and with my required 8 subs of psych i can do 3 lots of philosophy subs whichll also count as science, another 3 electives and some more gen ed which can be done during holidays [kudos to the genius who designed that] that totals the 144. ps anything is possible. pps uni life is the bomb
 

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