Coronavirus/Covid-19 Discussion Thread (3 Viewers)

[BLIT2014]

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NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she was pleased with the announcement, saying the doses would be "going to good use".

"We will be targeting 16- to 39-year-olds in those local government areas of concern," she said.

"They are the ones that are mobile because of their work. They are the ones who cross three generations, and they are ones who were part of the 70 percent of cases we are currently experiencing in those most problematic areas.""

Australia secures 1 million more Pfizer vaccine doses from Poland

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says young people in COVID affected parts of Sydney will be given priority access to new doses of the Pfizer vaccine, with the vaccines to begin arriving in Australia tonight.

www.abc.net.au

Good, finally.

 

[brent012]

Hopefully the bulk of it goes to retail workers, fast food workers, tradies, warehouse workers, truck drivers etc. that cant work from home.

I don't think allocating by LGA alone is the way to go about it. I bet this won't be the last deal like this though.

 

[pikachu975]

I went for my pfizer last week and wasn't eligible apparently, so I got astrazeneca and felt a bit weak that night, but was all good (slight arm pain at the area).

Government dealt with this so badly and it's still kinda funny that cops are extremely extremely biased as you see with the vids of them issuing 0 fines in rich white privileged areas (Bondi), whereas if they see someone in the west, cya -$1000 from ur bank instantly

 

[pikachu975]

Hopefully the bulk of it goes to retail workers, fast food workers, tradies, warehouse workers, truck drivers etc. that cant work from home.

I don't think allocating by LGA alone is the way to go about it. I bet this won't be the last deal like this though.

Yea in my opinion the LGA specific rules are so dumb because it's likely that the more relaxed LGAs are already infected, as cases have a week delay. However they wait till the outbreak becomes bad before increasing restrictions, but by then it's too late because there's a week delay and it has had almost a week to spread in that LGA.... Preventative should be better than reactive

 

[SylviaB]

I went for my pfizer last week and wasn't eligible apparently, so I got astrazeneca and felt a bit weak that night, but was all good (slight arm pain at the area).

Government dealt with this so badly and it's still kinda funny that cops are extremely extremely biased as you see with the vids of them issuing 0 fines in rich white privileged areas (Bondi), whereas if they see someone in the west, cya -$1000 from ur bank instantly

wahhhhh muh privilege wahhhhhhhh

 

[brent012]

I went for my pfizer last week and wasn't eligible apparently

Interesting, did you actually get a Pfizer booking and not get it? Officially the site is meant to block you from getting to the registration page if you aren't eligible, but I know people have bypassed that (sometimes by accident).

I got AZ a few days ago too, had a headache + fever/tiredness the next day.

 

[BLIT2014]

Interestingly one of the vax places I have been looking at has updated Pfizer front page to "18-59 year-olds only".

Sounds like they've had people older than that trying to get Pfizer.

 

[cosmo 2]

Government dealt with this so badly and it's still kinda funny that cops are extremely extremely biased as you see with the vids of them issuing 0 fines in rich white privileged areas (Bondi), whereas if they see someone in the west, cya -$1000 from ur bank instantly

lmao dis aint true, you dont have to pay them at all. just contest in court and it'll be like 5 years before it gets to the stage where a judge will make a ruling on it, and by that time they'll probably all be dismissed anyway. no one in victoria is paying the fines

 

[Eagle Mum]

I'm thinking of getting Novavax when it comes out. It seems like a good vaccine and is made the traditional way. I haven't heard much about Moderna but I think it is coming to Australia soon.

I think, in principle, a protein based vaccine is probably more suitable for a young age group. The DNA & mRNA vaccines require the individual’s cells to make the protein, which turns those cells into potential targets of its own body’s immune system. The target cells are macrophages and dendritic cells, but it’s quite possible/?likely that other cells do take up some of the RNA/DNA which is probably how the adverse side effects occur. I suspect that the reported cases are at the serious end of the spectrum and I don’t know that anyone is actually investigating the frequency of sub clinical effects, so until there is data to exclude long term side effects, for the young and healthy (including my kids), I would probably agree that if a vaccine is required, protein based vaccines would be the best option.

 

[pikachu975]

Interesting, did you actually get a Pfizer booking and not get it? Officially the site is meant to block you from getting to the registration page if you aren't eligible, but I know people have bypassed that (sometimes by accident).

I got AZ a few days ago too, had a headache + fever/tiredness the next day.

Yea I booked on the olympic park site and they check your eligiblity on the day just in case

 

[Great Southern Land]

I think, in principle, a protein based vaccine is probably more suitable for a young age group. The DNA & mRNA vaccines require the individual’s cells to make the protein, which turns those cells into potential targets of its own body’s immune system. The target cells are macrophages and dendritic cells, but it’s quite possible/?likely that other cells do take up some of the RNA/DNA which is probably how the adverse side effects occur. I suspect that the reported cases are at the serious end of the spectrum and I don’t know that anyone is actually investigating the frequency of sub clinical effects, so until there is data to exclude long term side effects, for the young and healthy (including my kids), I would probably agree that if a vaccine is required, protein based vaccines would be the best option.

Interesting... I will look into it.

 

[SylviaB]

I think, in principle, a protein based vaccine is probably more suitable for a young age group. The DNA & mRNA vaccines require the individual’s cells to make the protein, which turns those cells into potential targets of its own body’s immune system. The target cells are macrophages and dendritic cells, but it’s quite possible/?likely that other cells do take up some of the RNA/DNA which is probably how the adverse side effects occur. I suspect that the reported cases are at the serious end of the spectrum and I don’t know that anyone is actually investigating the frequency of sub clinical effects, so until there is data to exclude long term side effects, for the young and healthy (including my kids), I would probably agree that if a vaccine is required, protein based vaccines would be the best option.

 

[BLIT2014]

NSW Police issue 529 infringement notices for breaches of COVID public health orders

Ahead of Operation Stay Home, police issue 529 infringement notices and charge 29 over COVID breaches

Thirty-one people are fined for holding a "public gathering" on cliffs in Sydney's eastern suburbs as police vow to get tough on those breaking health orders.

www.abc.net.au

 

[cosmo 2]

im launching operation go fuck yourself in response

 

[Eagle Mum]

Interesting... I will look into it.

The main down side of protein based vaccines (including all the routine childhood regimes) is that most/?all use aluminium to enhance the immune response and the central location of aluminium in amyloid plaques in the brain does beg the question whether this element, which has no known physiological function unlike half a dozen other metal ions, might contribute to cognitive decline in the elderly. Nevertheless, we have received all the other prescribed protein based vaccines to date and am inclined to wait for a protein based one for SARS-COV-2 to become available in Australia.

 

[011235]

Which protein-based ones already exist (Novavax I think is one)?

 

[Eagle Mum]

Which protein-based ones already exist (Novavax I think is one)?

Sinovac & Sinopharm are both protein based but they are produced in China so a lot of Western countries won’t buy them. Novavax is produced in the US.

 

[011235]

I don't think we'll be seeing either of those Chinese ones haha knowing China <-> Australia relations rn. We could be waiting until mid next year for Novavax too..

 

[Eagle Mum]

I don't think we'll be seeing either of those Chinese ones haha knowing China <-> Australia relations rn. We could be waiting until mid next year for Novavax too..

Unfortunately, I believe you are right. If they are serious about overcoming vaccine hesitancy, they should set aside political differences and allow the Chinese vaccines in as another option. Our supermarkets and shops are full of products from China.

Testing for SAR-COV-2 is now well organised and efficient. What they need next is widespread availability of serology testing which can determine whether individuals have protective levels of antibody to the virus.

 

[dighead]

Unfortunately, I believe you are right. If they are serious about overcoming vaccine hesitancy, they should set aside political differences and allow the Chinese vaccines in as another option. Our supermarkets and shops are full of products from China.

Even if there was no political issue between the countries, do you think many people in any western country will want a Chinese-made vaccine even if they were available? Dodgy B-grade toys from China are one thing, but vaccines from a country known not exactly known for their transparency and lack of credibility? Comparing apples to oranges here. Hell not even vaccines, good luck getting people from China to buying baby formula from their own country.