Coronavirus/Covid-19 Discussion Thread (2 Viewers)

[cosmo 2]

looks like natural immunity is way more effective than these kind of crappy vaccines too WOW

who coood a node

‘Bombshell’ study finds natural immunity superior to vaccination

A major study conducted by Israeli researchers into natural immunity has found that immunity acquired via infection from Covid-19 is superior to immunity from the Pfizer vaccine. Researchers at Maccabi Healthcare and Tel Aviv University compared the outcomes of over 76,000 Israelis in three...

unherd.com

i just want to get this shit and get it over with (if i havent already had it, which i strongly suspect anyway)

 

[cloud_berry]

I’m a little torn on whether i should just get vaccinated or cancel my appointment to wait until more data on which vaccine is most efficient over a long term period comes out.
Also to be honest im concerned about the heart inflammation side effect too..

 

[cosmo 2]

a month or so ago when covid started spreading like crazy in dubbo i started having very unusual flu-like symptoms that impeded my breathing, exactly two weeks after i had been around a very large group of people

it lasted about a week and ticked off all the symptomatic criteria for delta then died down and disappeared, now i feel better than ever

 

[brent012]

I’m a little torn on whether i should just get vaccinated or cancel my appointment to wait until more data on which vaccine is most efficient over a long term period comes out.
Also to be honest im concerned about the heart inflammation side effect too..

We won't really have good data like that for a long time. If you're open to getting one of these vaccines, I don't think it's a good idea to wait for more data about which one to pick if your concerns are mostly around efficacy. Before that data is available, we will likely be open to some extent with an increased risk of the unvaccinated contracting covid and possibly with limitations on which restrictions are rolled back for the unvaccinated in the short term.

By the time we have good data and a consensus, there will likely be different variants, boosters or vaccines (e.g. Novavax) anyway.

Myocarditis and pericarditis from Pfizer is treatable and it has been affecting young males more than females, I believe they currently believe it is due to high-intensity exercise shortly after vaccination. A GP consultation before getting vaccinated or whoever administers the vaccine to you should be able to discuss those concerns with you and give you tailored advice.

 

[cosmo 2]

the govt can stick their vaccine passports right up their ass

 

[Hiheyhello]

I’m a little torn on whether i should just get vaccinated or cancel my appointment to wait until more data on which vaccine is most efficient over a long term period comes out.
Also to be honest im concerned about the heart inflammation side effect too..

in terms of your concern about heart inflammation, imo, it’s a matter of using logic to determine which risk is greater.

NSW is aiming to ease restrictions after the 80% vaccination target is met. that basically means that anyone who hasn’t gotten vaccinated by that point is screwed, because the virus is going to keep spreading regardless.

what would you rather?
deny the vaccine and risk either yourself or a vulnerable family member end up on a ventilator?
or take the vaccine, significantly increasing your chances of avoiding severe covid symptoms, with a significantly LOWER risk of heart inflammation?

you’re risking your health either way, and with the inevitable easing of lockdowns, isn’t it better to take the option that’s less risky?

just my opinion btw (i probs sound like some federal propagandist, but this isn’t political, it’s just a matter of common sense)

obviously do whatever you’re comfortable with - but be aware that choosing to not get vaccinated isn’t any less risky, if anything it’s the contrary.

 

[cloud_berry]

We won't really have good data like that for a long time. If you're open to getting one of these vaccines, I don't think it's a good idea to wait for more data about which one to pick if your concerns are mostly around efficacy. Before that data is available, we will likely be open to some extent with an increased risk of the unvaccinated contracting covid and possibly with limitations on which restrictions are rolled back for the unvaccinated in the short term.

By the time we have good data and a consensus, there will likely be different variants, boosters or vaccines (e.g. Novavax) anyway.

Myocarditis and pericarditis from Pfizer is treatable and it has been affecting young males more than females, I believe they currently believe it is due to high-intensity exercise shortly after vaccination. A GP consultation before getting vaccinated or whoever administers the vaccine to you should be able to discuss those concerns with you and give you tailored advice.

Yes that’s true, i was originally thinking I’d wait a few months more but it was based off the assumption that we *might* have better data in only a few months but there’s no guarantee of that either. I guess there’s no guarantee of anything on either sides.

Also, i wasn’t too concerned about the heart inflammation since it’s generally accepted that the heart inflammation is minor and can be resolved, but today I saw a news article linking a NZ woman’s death with pfizer due to heart inflammation, (source:https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380867.amp) so now I am somewhat concerned. I guess now it feels like a question of, “if there are 1000 skittles in a bowl, and only one of them is known to cause certain death, would you still willingly take one from the bowl?”
Either way, the risks on getting COVID far outweigh the vaccine, but it just feels different with the vaccine since you’re willingly subjecting yourself to the risk, meanwhile COVID is a gamble.
I will eventually get the vaccine, but I just wish we had more time for more data. I suppose at some point, the downsides of lockdown start outweighing the downsides of COVID too but I don’t know if we are close to that point yet or if we could afford to have a few more months.

 

[enoilgam]

I’m a little torn on whether i should just get vaccinated or cancel my appointment to wait until more data on which vaccine is most efficient over a long term period comes out.

Keep in mind, all data currently indicates that boosters will be needed, so I dont think it will make much difference which one you choose.

 

[cloud_berry]

in terms of your concern about heart inflammation, imo, it’s a matter of using logic to determine which risk is greater.

NSW is aiming to ease restrictions after the 80% vaccination target is met. that basically means that anyone who hasn’t gotten vaccinated by that point is screwed, because the virus is going to keep spreading regardless.

what would you rather?
deny the vaccine and risk either yourself or a vulnerable family member end up on a ventilator?
or take the vaccine, significantly increasing your chances of avoiding severe covid symptoms, with a significantly LOWER risk of heart inflammation?

you’re risking your health either way, and with the inevitable easing of lockdowns, isn’t it better to take the option that’s less risky?

just my opinion btw (i probs sound like some federal propagandist, but this isn’t political, it’s just a matter of common sense)

obviously do whatever you’re comfortable with - but be aware that choosing to not get vaccinated isn’t any less risky, if anything it’s the contrary.

Yeah when i examine the situation from both sides, I always end up coming to the conclusion that getting a vaccine is the most logical, but it’s hard (for me at least) to not feel at least a little wary. At some point I’m gonna have to stop stalling (which is this week, if i don’t cancel last minute) and just make a decision and get the vaccine.
It’s a bit hard to commit though when a family member goes on rants about how deaths are linked to the vaccines and such, I know i shouldn’t be easily influenced but when it’s constant, I end up doubting my decisions and everything about this pandemic and am tempted to stall on getting vaccinated. Just feels confusing on what’s right or wrong. It seems like there’s always that possibility that said family member could end up being right, even if that possibility is low.

 

[notme123]

NSW is aiming to ease restrictions after the 80% vaccination target is met. that basically means that anyone who hasn’t gotten vaccinated by that point is screwed, because the virus is going to keep spreading regardless.

Firstly, why is the target number going up? Is it soon gonna be 90%? Secondly, you're assuming the virus is as severe as the media portrays it. My cousin (20s with no comorbidities) caught the virus and she was fine throughout the symptomatic period. Getting the vaccine is like getting the flu vaccine, it's only for the hypochondriacs.

 

[BLIT2014]

I’m a little torn on whether i should just get vaccinated or cancel my appointment to wait until more data on which vaccine is most efficient over a long term period comes out.
Also to be honest im concerned about the heart inflammation side effect too..

If it is in relation to Pfizer, Singapore recommends that you don't do heavy exercise the week after as they think that the heart inflammation may be attributable to that. As well as people typically recovering from heart inflammation, Sars-Covid-19 is linked to heart inflammation.

How COVID affects the heart, according to a cardiologist

COVID can cause heart inflammation, abnormal heart rhythms, blood clots in the legs and lungs, stroke, and heart failure.

theconversation.com

 

[011235]

It’s a bit hard to commit though when a family member goes on rants about how deaths are linked to the vaccines and such, I know i shouldn’t be easily influenced but when it’s constant, I end up doubting my decisions and everything about this pandemic and am tempted to stall on getting vaccinated. Just feels confusing on what’s right or wrong. It seems like there’s always that possibility that said family member could end up being right, even if that possibility is low.

Your family member is right in that have been 9 deaths in Australia as a result of an individual having the 1st dose of AstraZeneca and developing either TTS (8 ppl) and ITP (1 person) out of about 3.1 million first AZ doses given (9/3100000).

However it is not true that there have been any deaths in Australia as a result of an individual having a 2nd dose of AstraZeneca OR any dose of Pfizer.

Firstly, why is the target number going up? Is it soon gonna be 90%? Secondly, you're assuming the virus is as severe as the media portrays it. My cousin (20s with no comorbidities) caught the virus and she was fine throughout the symptomatic period. Getting the vaccine is like getting the flu vaccine, it's only for the hypochondriacs.

There have been 1,019 deaths from COVID-19 in Australia, out of 56,565 cases (1/56 chance).
There has only been 1 death from COVID-19 in Australia of people who were double-vaccinated (a man in 90s with underlying health conditions).

It really makes me wonder why people why people want to risk that 1/56 chance if they get covid (which is very probable when they open up) instead of getting the vaccine for the 9/3100000 (0.000003) chance for AZ or the even smaller (0) chance for Pfizer.

(NB of course the chance of death changes with age for both. But the point is still the risk of death is orders of magnitude higher)

 

[brent012]

Getting the vaccine is like getting the flu vaccine, it's only for the hypochondriacs.

Nah, almost every decently sized workplace in Australia does on site flu vaccines and encourages them because it makes sense economically for businesses. It will be similar with the covid vaccine and boosters.

A single anecdotal example of your cousin doesn't carry any more weight than the examples of fatalities or hospitalisations in the media. Some people are going to asymptomatic, some people are going to be affected worse.

 

[Paradoxica]

just my opinion btw (i probs sound like some federal propagandist, but this isn’t political, it’s just a matter of common sense)

i mean i hate the federal gov and i still got my vaxx, it's a matter of what the options are (Δ is simply too transmissible for it to ever go to 0 without a legitimate hard lockdown which is never happening)

 

[notme123]

There have been 1,019 deaths from COVID-19 in Australia, out of 56,565 cases (1/56 chance)

Sorry, but I think this is completely wrong. How many of those cases died WITH and not FROM. Not considering comorbidities and age inflates this statistic out of proportion, relative to the total popluace demographic. In addition, contracting corona (I hate to say it but it's partially true) just accelerated inevitable deaths for terminally ill patients who already had their days numbered. Furthermore, the current PCR test Australia currently uses is the most sensitive to any viral detection in the world. Not all of these deaths could have necessarily had the coronavirus.

 

[011235]

Sorry, but I think this is completely wrong. How many of those cases died WITH and not FROM. Not considering comorbidities and age inflates this statistic out of proportion, relative to the total popluace demographic. In addition, contracting corona (I hate to say it but it's partially true) just accelerated inevitable deaths for terminally ill patients who already had their days numbered. Furthermore, the current PCR test Australia currently uses is the most sensitive to any viral detection in the world. Not all of these deaths could have necessarily had the coronavirus.

All the points you make are reasonable, and I apologies for not counting those.

I don't think it changes my viewpoint though. (Exaggerating here) lets say just 10% of those deaths were of otherwise fully healthy people, and 90% fell into other categories such as terminal illness or false reporting. That still puts the chance of death at 1/560 which is many orders of magnitude higher than the vaccine.

 

[cosmo 2]

wish all these new ppl here would go back to reddit

 

[totally_screwed]

wish all these new ppl here would go back to reddit

why's that

but I must say reddit is a very good source of relevant covid updates/information and the discussions that happen in the comments are also v good, just more profanity compared to this thread

 

[notme123]

why's that

but I must say reddit is a very good source of relevant covid updates/information and the discussions that happen in the comments are also v good, just more profanity compared to this thread

Found the redditor





jkjk i swear im not a btard

 

[CM_Tutor]

I guess now it feels like a question of, “if there are 1000 skittles in a bowl, and only one of them is known to cause certain death, would you still willingly take one from the bowl?”

This is not a good analogy, in my view, because the risk associated with not taking a skittle is zero. The risk of not getting vaccinated is a potentially much more serious infection with the chance of long-term consequences, and some possibility of dying.

Modifying your analogy, let's say this is about the risks of an aircraft accident (and keeping your numbers for the sake of simplicity). You can take a skittle with a 1 in a 1000 chance of dying (ie. get on a plane to travel overseas)... or you can not take it but never travel overseas. Adding in a consequence from a choice not to take the skittle makes a big difference.