Do complete Lefties and Greenies get on your nerves? (1 Viewer)

[dieburndie]

In response to the original question, yes. I find the hard left extremely obnoxious. I think the Greens are the most irresponsible, demagogic party on the Australian electoral landscape, and I think cluelessness is a sine qua non of voting for them.

You don't have to be clueless to have different ideas than you.

Out of the large number of possible reasons for voting for the greens, many of which wouldn't support their entire platform, do you really think every single one reflects cluelessness by the voter?
Because I think that making such an absurd statement would suggest that you are clueless.

 

[_dhj_]

The worst thing about the greens is their environmental policies. Cut it all down I say - we need more development, not more conservation.

Otherwise they aren't too bad.

 

[bshoc]

You don't have to be clueless to have different ideas than you.

Out of the large number of possible reasons for voting for the greens, many of which wouldn't support their entire platform, do you really think every single one reflects cluelessness by the voter?
Because I think that making such an absurd statement would suggest that you are clueless.

Anyone who votes Greens or supports their policies is a retard, end of debate.

 

[dieburndie]

Anyone who votes Greens or supports their policies is a retard, end of debate.

And I'm like "not even".

 

[bshoc]

The worst thing about the greens is their environmental policies. Cut it all down I say - we need more development, not more conservation.

Otherwise they aren't too bad.

What about figuring out how to sustain the current population (ie. dams) before advocating that we need more, a steady state development and population would be the best option given the current circumstances.

 

[bshoc]

And I'm like "not even".

No seriously have you even read their policy document?

http://greens.org.au/policies/

(here's my personal favorite)

http://greens.org.au/policies/economics

People actually vote for these idiots?

 

[dieburndie]

No seriously have you even read their policy document?

http://greens.org.au/policies/

(here's my personal favorite)

http://greens.org.au/policies/economics

People actually vote for these idiots?

Yes, they do.
And yes, I have read it, and don't support a lot of their economic policies.

They are the only party which views the the environment as an absolute priority, and I think to ignore environmental degradation almost entirely, in favour of short term economic gains is extremely harmful.
It's the fundamental principles of it all that you are of course going to disagree with, being a complete traditionalist and nationalist.
You don't want to view situations on a global level because you don't care about people from other countries (Which I'm almost sure you have openly admitted to), and you don't want any common values to be changed because you are determined to repeatedly appeal to tradition.
Because you think anyone who doesn't share these views is retarded, continuing to debate this, or anything with you for that matter, seems a little pointless, and far too frustrating to be worthwhile.

 

[withoutaface]

The greens are becoming less environmentalist and more socialist as time goes by...

 

[dieburndie]

The greens are becoming less environmentalist and more socialist as time goes by...

See that's what I don't like.
You don't have to be a socialist to be an environmentalist.

 

[torrentperson]

You don't have to be clueless to have different ideas than you.

Irrelevant. It's not that their ideas are different from mine, it's that they're irresponsible and pernicious. Read their platform.

Out of the large number of possible reasons for voting for the greens, many of which wouldn't support their entire platform, do you really think every single one reflects cluelessness by the voter?

No, I think voting for the Greens, and hence endorsing them and their entire platform for government, reflects cluelessness. To clarify: the environment is one thing, and in any case a mainstream concern these days. But the rest of their platform -- from foreign affairs to economic policy -- has a great many very worrying ideas. The only explanation for agreeing with them is susceptibility to demagogy, i.e., ignorance. And yes, voting for a party over a single issue with total disregard for the deleteriousness of all their other policies is clueless at best.

Because I think that making such an absurd statement would suggest that you are clueless.

I'm not seeing how anything in your post leads to the conclusion that I'm clueless, so I'll assume you just wanted to end on a high note, even if it was in the wrong key. Look, it's not a question of ideology. It's a question of radicalism and irresponsibility. Neither the fringe left nor the fringe right should be allowed near government, and anyone who helps them get there deserves contempt.

 

[_dhj_]

You moderates are so boring.

 

[dieburndie]

Irrelevant. It's not that their ideas are different from mine, it's that they're irresponsible and pernicious. Read their platform.No, I think voting for the Greens, and hence endorsing them and their entire platform for government, reflects cluelessness. To clarify: the environment is one thing, and in any case a mainstream concern these days. But the rest of their platform -- from foreign affairs to economic policy -- has a great many very worrying ideas. The only explanation for agreeing with them is susceptibility to demagogy, i.e., ignorance. And yes, voting for a party over a single issue with total disregard for the deleteriousness of all their other policies is clueless at best.I'm not seeing how anything in your post leads to the conclusion that I'm clueless, so I'll assume you just wanted to end on a high note, even if it was in the wrong key. Look, it's not a question of ideology. It's a question of radicalism and irresponsibility. Neither the fringe left nor the fringe right should be allowed near government, and anyone who helps them get there deserves contempt.

Ooh a high note in the wrong key look at my cool metaphors.
I have read their platform for jesus hell christ.
I think a whole lot of people just vote for the greens so the major parties realise how important the state of the environment is to much of the public, and act accordingly.
I can assure you that if there was a party that represented every single one of my political stances I would vote for them.
Contempt? For anyone on the fringe right or the fringe left who votes for a party that represents their beliefs. I think that's going a little far.

 

[Ennaybur]

in a sense at least theyr open about their 'radical' ideas and ideologies, unlike other parties that with compromise promises and ideals for money, and conveniantly allow inhumane things because it suits foreign diplomacy.
I would vote for an optimist rather than someone/party who I know will prostitute themselves.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Damn right they do. How dare they put forth their credible, intelligent and foward thinking ideas to the public. How dare they even consider moving foward from the status quo in an effort to better society. Round 'em all up and shoot 'em I say.

 

[Ennaybur]

omg look at his eyebrow go!

 

[keane514]

What I don't like is the whole left vs. right concept. People on both sides just follow certain views without really thinking about what they are supporting or opposing. People on both the left and right extremes are annoying because they often unthinkingly follow their views and only seek evidence to support their own views.

I used to follow all left-wing views unthinkingly. Instead although I'd still be called a leftie I have views that go from the right to the extreme left. For example I've moved to the right on abortion and socialism, and to the extreme left on drug laws . Some ideas only sound ridiculous ("Of course drugs should be illegal!""Of course the world is flat!") because the "common sense" idea is so ingrained. But the point is they should look past that and actually weigh up the evidence ON BOTH SIDES and have a good hard think. Alot of these issues aren't the simple black and white alot of people would like them to be.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Although what you just said was a bit of an unfair generalisation against a lot of people, I mostly agree. Far too often do people simply take what "their" side of politics has said as gospel, and give no weight or attention to what the other side is saying. They'll vote for their side no matter what, and they'll dismiss what the other side has said without the blink of an eyebrow. That's not good, that's bad. But really, I don't think that many people in the politics forum here would fit into that vague stereotype. I myself won't be voting Labor in the next state election for a variety of reasons.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I myself won't be voting Labor in the next state election for a variety of reasons.

Would you actually want to get debnam into power though? Or just scare them a little?

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

At the very most, he'd be there for four years. Much the same as I think it's ludicrous to suggest that electing Labor in federal would somehow cause an economic meltdown, I really don't think too much will happen if Debnam is elected. Then again, maybe it will...Hmmm. Maybe I'll vote for The Greens. Oh dear, being a swing voter is tough.

 

[Josie]

Gogo living in a Green seat. (Green, independant, Labor.. it swings)