zimmerman8k said:
Sure buddy lets debate.
There is no empirical evidence to give us a reason to believe in such a god. Your move.
Ha ha ha. It's funny because empirical evidence, or the absense of empirical evidence is not reason in itself to not believe in something. But if we look at the universe around us there are experiments you can do if you like to confirm that the universe was created by such a god.
The first requires something like a coin. A good coin, perhaps a 50c coin if you have access to one. Now using any method known to man or science, attempt to make that 50c coin dissapear. I don't mean moving it, hiding it, melting it or cutting it into two pieces. I mean make the matter, and thus energy which it contains dissapear. I'm sure you'll fast see there is no way to completely destroy the coin.
The same goes with creating energy. Using no material or energy, attempt to create a 50c coin. You'll also sooner see that creating energy just like destroying energy is out of the realm of possibility for humankind. We can not create or destroy energy. We can do pretty much everything else though.
A third experiment is to observe energy spontaneously being created for no apparent reason. Otherwise observe a result which comes from no cause, ofcouse soonest of all you'll see that too is impossible.
So we conclude that energy exists in our universe, and it pretty much has always existed in our universe for as long as our universe has existed. That is to say that before energy there was no universe. This is especially true as far as observable pheonomena goes, we can not observe anything which has no energy, so as far as humankind is concerned, before energy there was nothing.
That included god infact. If we are to believe god created the universe (energy) then we are also to assume he can not be created of energy. But again this opens up another commonly asked question. "How about if energy always existed? Why does something need to create energy?" the answer to that is as simple as it is complex.
Energy is very complex. It's complex in a way that as humankind can not easily comprehend, since everything in our observable universe is based on this system. Energy has a value. Energy can not exist in a neutral form, otherwise it simply does not exist. Energy can be negative in a sense that we can categorise it, and it can be positive, but overall the point is energy has a value.
Without a value, energy with a 0 value (I don't mean 0 net value, but 0 value) is not energy. Energy like all values are defined. Hence the need for a definer or creator of Energy. Particularly a creator not made of energy, without a value.
