Does God exist? (16 Viewers)

[davin]

according to science they didn't exist as far as the bible refers to them

 

[Not-That-Bright]

interestin question, according to science they did...

According to science humans evolved from a creature that already had a belly button and there was not just two there was probably a population of a few thousand.

 

[SashatheMan]

No, because we're mud-men.

Btu if they didnt have belly buttons, how did their chbildren get them? or for that matter, how is it possible that we have them?

 

[Generator]

Btu if they didnt have belly buttons, how did their chbildren get them? or for that matter, how is it possible that we have them?

Sasha, what are you trying to prove?

 

[HotShot]

Sasha, what are you trying to prove?

he is questioning evolution, go to the zoo and look at the chimps. :wave:

 

[davin]

i thought the point of that question is to say "why would adam and eve have had belly buttons"

 

[HotShot]

i thought the point of that question is to say "why would adam and eve have had belly buttons"

but we dont know if they did.

 

[davin]

well, there wasn't even an adam and eve to beging with.....

but the reason its a question is because either....they didn't, in which case we aren't in the same form as them...or they did, in which case god created them with a pointless characteristic

 

[HotShot]

well, there wasn't even an adam and eve to beging with.....

but the reason its a question is because either....they didn't, in which case we aren't in the same form as them...or they did, in which case god created them with a pointless characteristic

tats really interestin, considering all three books say that they existed.

http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/Mansproof.html

 

[Generator]

i thought the point of that question is to say "why would adam and eve have had belly buttons"

Is there much point in debating what many christians do not take literally? Surely there are other god-related issues to discuss, issues that are more worthy of our time?

 

[ur_inner_child]

tats really interestin, considering all three books say that they existed.

http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/Mansproof.html

i feel that when you want to propose how the human race started, esp out of thin air, a man and a woman seems pretty standard for a beginning.

not really a "omg coincidence!" or a "omg they mustve existed!"

 

[davin]

waht do you mean "all three books"?

generator, i agree....its aiming for some really small point that really just gets brushed off by the religious even if you win the point

 

[withoutaface]

tats really interestin, considering all three books say that they existed.

http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/Mansproof.html

http://www.ditext.com/russell/rus14.html

 

[SashatheMan]

Sasha, what are you trying to prove?

well, there wasn't even an adam and eve to beging with.....

but the reason its a question is because either....they didn't, in which case we aren't in the same form as them...or they did, in which case god created them with a pointless characteristic

yeh he basicly answered it

Is there much point in debating what many christians do not take literally? Surely there are other god-related issues to discuss, issues that are more worthy of our time?

true, but then dont forget, alot of christians take the adam and eve story literally, especially in the US where christianity dominates.

 

[Generator]

true, but then dont forget, alot of christians take the adam and eve story literally, especially in the US where christianity dominates.

But we aren't in the US, are we, and by and large most Christians who take the time to debate this issue seriously do not take the story literally, do they?

As davin said, this is nothing more than a sideshow point. Surely there are other issues that are far more interesting?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I'd like to point out that this point that I don't think moonlight and I know myself did not want to have these discussions about the bible or argue about the bible... It seems to be a rhetorical wank session.

 

[Mongke]

for those who know this thread better than me, has the question of "did God create man or did man create God?" been discussed? if so, then thats all i have to say. if not, dont you think religion around the whole world makes more sense if you see it as a parallel relationship between God and man, and not one of endless service by man?

im sorry, not explained very well. im sure others can do it justice

 

[withoutaface]

God may exist, but all existing conceptions were, imo, created by man.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Earlier on I provided some video links which discussed 'magical thinking', and also discussed the way in which God plays perfectly into the way human beings think. Humans look around their world, they are tool-makers, so when they look at the world they wonder 'what created this'... They then can only think of themselves as a creator species, so they just imagine a gigantic form of themselves. After this, they look around and say 'wow this world is awesome, i've got everything I could possibly need!' so they conclude this world is FOR them...

Anyway I have discussed it earlier however It didn't take up too much. I would love to continue to discuss it.
http://www.xenutv.com/cults/hibelief1.rm
http://www.xenutv.com/cults/hibelief2.rm
http://www.xenutv.com/cults/hibelief3.rm
http://www.xenutv.com/cults/hibelief4.rm
http://www.xenutv.com/cults/hibelief5.rm
http://www.xenutv.com/cults/hibelief6.rm

Number 1 deals with magical thinking, the others are equally interesting.

 

[Mongke]

God may exist, but all existing conceptions were, imo, created by man.

the question should be "what is God?" not "does He exist?", thats just a foregone conclusion for an endless discussion.....