John McCain
Horse liberty
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- Jun 9, 2008
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Re: Questions about euthanasia...
Say your friend did want to cut off their arm though, there's a point at which you must be willing to concede 'okay this is now part of their stable personal core', and let them go through with the action.
This is probably best assessed by a medical professional, but applying consistently independent judgement of what is in the patients rational interest seems to be problematic. I think many medical practitioners in assessing a patient's will to undertake such an act, are often biased to see what they want to see, many doctors hold values similar to the old hippocratic oath, that they could never choose to allow a patient to harm themselves.
There often seems to be an implication in the debate, and I've heard it reinforced by some doctors, that a depressed person should never be able to access euthanasia, even among the terminally ill. Given the pervasiveness of depression, especially among the elderly and ill, this is a major issue. The implication that a depressed person cannot possibly make a rational decision, you're overriding someones rights in a huge way and potentially causing tremendous harm based on a very simplistic understanding of how capable individuals affected by mental illness are at making a judgement to live or otherwise.
Yeah I certainly respect the grey areas involved. I like to make a strong statement that anyone should be able to end their lives, but such extremism probably undermines any respect for my position.For the same reason I would stop a friend from cutting off a limb, trying to fly from their balcony, branding themself with an esoteric symbol, or similar, in the midst of an exteme manic, depressive or psychotic episode. I assume that there exists some semblance of a stable personal core which can be disrupted, and that such acts constitute a form of self-harm which they would otherwise want to avoid in a typical/normal/lucid state. Granted, 'normality' is an entirely fuzzy concept, but I don't think that vagueness leads me to a particularly difficult position - it simply means that we have to accept grey area cases in the fuzzy zone which will probably depend on ideology and public debate. I certainly don't think that I am being controversial given the way that we act towards children, i.e. with a thorough paternalism in which we prevent them from engaging in certain activities (say, swimming in deep surf when unable to tread water, touching hot stove tops, driving in the CBD during rush hour) with their 'best interests' in mind, or something of this variety.
Say your friend did want to cut off their arm though, there's a point at which you must be willing to concede 'okay this is now part of their stable personal core', and let them go through with the action.
This is probably best assessed by a medical professional, but applying consistently independent judgement of what is in the patients rational interest seems to be problematic. I think many medical practitioners in assessing a patient's will to undertake such an act, are often biased to see what they want to see, many doctors hold values similar to the old hippocratic oath, that they could never choose to allow a patient to harm themselves.
There often seems to be an implication in the debate, and I've heard it reinforced by some doctors, that a depressed person should never be able to access euthanasia, even among the terminally ill. Given the pervasiveness of depression, especially among the elderly and ill, this is a major issue. The implication that a depressed person cannot possibly make a rational decision, you're overriding someones rights in a huge way and potentially causing tremendous harm based on a very simplistic understanding of how capable individuals affected by mental illness are at making a judgement to live or otherwise.