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SpiralFlex · Jan 20, 2012

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Carrotsticks said:
The function $y= \sqrt {x} (1-x)$ is integrable using methods taught in Extension 1.

Perhaps the sketching part is inappropriate for MX1. Everything else seems okay.

Of course it's integrable for MX1. But I am talking about the sketching part. Prehaps Zeebobby would like to alter the question.

SpiralFlex · Jan 20, 2012

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Carrotsticks said:
$\cos 36^{\circ} = \frac{\varphi}{2} $ where $ \varphi = $ limiting ratio of successive terms in the Fibbonaci Sequence $ \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \frac{F_{n+1}}{F_n} $ where $ F_n $ denotes the $ n^{th} $ term of the series.$$

Just realised that the value was half that of the golden ratio.

largarithmic · Jan 21, 2012

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SpiralFlex said:
Just realised that the value was half that of the golden ratio.

really cool fact (kinda unrelated but alright...)

you know every positive integer can be written as sum of distinct integer powers of phi?

e.g.
$1 = \phi^0$
$2 = \phi^0 + \phi^{-1} + \phi^{-2}$
$3 = \phi^1 + \phi^0 + \phi^{-2}$
$4 = \phi^2 + \phi^0 + \phi^{-2}$

(where $\phi = \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}$ )

pretty hard question: prove it.

bleakarcher · Jan 21, 2012

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Isnt that coroneos that loop question?

Carrotsticks · Jan 21, 2012

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largarithmic said:
really cool fact (kinda unrelated but alright...)

you know every positive integer can be written as sum of distinct integer powers of phi?

Cool facts are always related.

bleakarcher · Jan 21, 2012

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Also, spiralflex i just realised you made an error when integrating 4cos^(x)

SpiralFlex · Jan 21, 2012

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bleakarcher said:
Also, spiralflex i just realised you made an error when integrating 4cos^(x)

Yeah I rushed it. Double angles lol.

Carrotsticks · Jan 21, 2012

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largarithmic said:
really cool fact (kinda unrelated but alright...)

you know every positive integer can be written as sum of distinct integer powers of phi?

e.g.
$1 = \phi^0$
$2 = \phi^0 + \phi^{-1} + \phi^{-2}$
$3 = \phi^1 + \phi^0 + \phi^{-2}$
$4 = \phi^2 + \phi^0 + \phi^{-2}$

(where $\phi = \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{4}$ )

pretty hard question: prove it.

I'll let somebody else give it a try, but does this proof happen to use the following properties:

$\frac{1}{\phi}= \phi - 1$

${\phi}^{n} = F_n \times \varphi + F_{n+1}$

${\phi}^{n} = F_n \times \phi + F_{n-1}$

$$Where $ \phi $ is the Golden Ratio and $ \varphi = \frac{1}{\phi}$

zeebobDD · Jan 21, 2012

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okay guys, actually i didnt get it from any of the books you mentioned

, i got it from the cambridge 3u(yr11) though it was on the extension part, probz been in others too

aha i think the only difficulty in that question is the sketching

alrite stuff that q, lets just moveee on

largarithmic · Jan 21, 2012

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Carrotsticks said:
I'll let somebody else give it a try, but does this proof happen to use the following properties:

$\frac{1}{\phi}= \phi - 1$

${\varphi}^{n} = F_n \times \varphi + F_{n+1}$

${\phi}^{n} = F_n \times \phi + F_{n-1}$

$$Where $ \phi $ is the Golden Ratio and $ \varphi = \frac{1}{\phi}$

Uses the first property only - don't need anything to do with fibonacci numbers. Try it, its a fun question

Carrotsticks · Jan 21, 2012

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largarithmic said:
Uses the first property only - don't need anything to do with fibonacci numbers. Try it, its a fun question

I have a proof in mind, but it uses two of the aforementioned identities. I'll give it a try once I get back from work.

Carrotsticks · Jan 21, 2012

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Larg, regarding your question with the powers of phi.

Did you mean...

$\phi = \frac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2}$

...instead of...

$\phi = \frac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{4}$

I managed to prove the following:

If n is odd, then:

${\phi ^{n}} + {\phi ^{-n}} $ is an integer.$$

If n is even, then:

${\phi ^{n}} - {\phi ^{-n}} $ is an integer.$$

Using a combination of the above, we can acquire the integers 1, 3, 4, 7, 11, 18 ...

For example:

$\begin{align*}{\phi ^{1}} + {\phi ^{-1}} &= 1 \\\\ {\phi ^{2}} - {\phi ^{-2}} &= 3 \\\\ {\phi ^{3}} + {\phi ^{-3}} &= 4 \\\\ {\phi ^{4}} - {\phi ^{-4}} &= 7 \end{align*}$

This is a relationship using the same recursive formula as the Fibbonaci Sequence:

$F_n = F_{n-1} + F_{n-2}$

But with the conditions:

$F_1 = 1 $ and $ F_2 = 3$

As opposed to:

$F_1 = 1 $ and $ F_2 = 1$

Zeckendorf's Theorem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeckendorf's_theorem) states that all positive integers can be expressed as the sum of distinct terms of the Fibbonaci sequence.

Not quite sure about the validity of this, but since we are utilising the same recursive definition (but different starting conditions), all integers can be expressed as distinct sums (and subtractions) of powers of phi (though usually a positive power is paired with its equivalent negative power).

For example:

$\begin{align*} 37 &= 1+7+11+18 \\\\ &= ({\phi ^{1}} - {\phi ^{-1}}) + ({\phi ^{4}} + {\phi ^{-4}}) + ({\phi ^{5}} - {\phi ^{-5})} + ({\phi ^{6}} - {\phi ^{-6}}) \end{align*}$

largarithmic · Jan 21, 2012

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Carrotsticks said:
Larg, regarding your question with the powers of phi.

Did you mean...

$\phi = \frac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2}$

...instead of...

$\phi = \frac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{4}$

I managed to prove the following:

If n is odd, then:

${\phi ^{n}} + {\phi ^{-n}} $ is an integer.$$

If n is even, then:

${\phi ^{n}} - {\phi ^{-n}} $ is an integer.$$

Using a combination of the above, we can acquire the integers 1, 3, 4, 7, 11, 18 ...

For example:

$\begin{align*}{\phi ^{1}} + {\phi ^{-1}} &= 1 \\\\ {\phi ^{2}} - {\phi ^{-2}} &= 3 \\\\ {\phi ^{3}} + {\phi ^{-3}} &= 4 \\\\ {\phi ^{4}} - {\phi ^{-4}} &= 7 \end{align*}$

This is a relationship using the same recursive formula as the Fibbonaci Sequence:

$F_n = F_{n-1} + F_{n-2}$

But with the conditions:

$F_1 = 1 $ and $ F_2 = 3$

As opposed to:

$F_1 = 1 $ and $ F_2 = 1$

Zeckendorf's Theorem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeckendorf's_theorem) states that all positive integers can be expressed as the sum of distinct terms of the Fibbonaci sequence.

Not quite sure about the validity of this, but since we are utilising the same recursive definition (but different starting conditions), all integers can be expressed as distinct sums (and subtractions) of powers of phi (though usually a positive power is paired with its equivalent negative power).

For example:

$\begin{align*} 37 &= 1+7+11+18 \\\\ &= ({\phi ^{1}} - {\phi ^{-1}}) + ({\phi ^{4}} + {\phi ^{-4}}) + ({\phi ^{5}} - {\phi ^{-5})} + ({\phi ^{6}} - {\phi ^{-6}}) \end{align*}$

You've answered a slightly different question - I said *sum* of distinct integer powers of phi - you can't have differences. But if you could, yeah that still works ^^ And I believe that theorem is actually pretty easy to prove (you can induct with a pretty simple bounding argument I think). But yeah the question without differences you can do without any knowlegde of the fibonacci sequence - and with barely any algebra actually.

cssftw · Jan 22, 2012

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good heavens....i got 95 in the ext1 hsc - and now 3months of not touching a single page of maths - i've forgotten over 80% of the course.

G fucking G

king chopper · Jan 30, 2012

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Okay - AB is a chord of a circle. P is the midpoint of the minor arc cut off by AB, and Q is the midpoint of the major arc. Show that PQ is a diameter (hint: include the centre of the circle in your diagram.)

largarithmic · Jan 30, 2012

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king chopper said:
Okay - AB is a chord of a circle. P is the midpoint of the minor arc cut off by AB, and Q is the midpoint of the major arc. Show that PQ is a diameter (hint: include the centre of the circle in your diagram.)

You dont even need to use the centre. here's a pretty simple proof:
Note that the combined length of arc PAQ is the same as arc PBQ (since arcs AP = PB, BQ = QA). Hence the angles they subtend are equal, so /_PAQ = /_PBQ, but by cyclic quadrilateral interior angle sum /_PAQ + /_PBQ = 180 so /_PAQ = 90. It follows that PQ is a diameter

Alternatively you can do a really neat argument from symmetry. Suppose we relabelled A as B, and B as A. Now the definition of a midpoint of an arc is fundamentally symmetric (you can relabel the arc endpoints and the actual midpoint remains the same). Hence any transformation that (1) preserves the circle and (2) flips A and B would not change the position of P and Q. Circles have an axis of symmetry in every line through their centre, so pick the one that flips A and B. Note that under reflexion about this axis, both P and Q remain at the same points - and when you reflect an entire plane about a point on it, the only "invariant" points are points on the line itself. So P and Q are on the axis of symmetry - which was through the centre in the first place, i.e. is a diameter. So PQ is a diameter. (a nice, subtle argument that doesnt use any equations or working out, just intuition and logic)

Trebla · Jan 30, 2012

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Suppose that there are two angles subtended from a common interval AB (say angles ACB and ADB). If angle ACB is twice the size of angle ADB and AC = BC show that the points A, B and D form a circle with C as the centre.

largarithmic · Jan 31, 2012

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Trebla said:
Suppose that there are two angles subtended from a common interval AB (say angles ACB and ADB). If angle ACB is twice the size of angle ADB, show that the points A, B and D are concyclic.

wahhhh... A, B and D are always going to be concyclic so long as <ADB is not zero (i.e. A,D,B collinear) since any three noncollinear points are concyclic. If you meant A, B, D are on a circle centre C, thats not true; although A, B, C and the centre of the circle through A, B and D are themselves concyclic

Carrotsticks · Jan 31, 2012

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largarithmic said:
wahhhh... A, B and D are always going to be concyclic so long as

so long as... ? I don't see anything lol.

And to Trebla, any 3 points in 2D space are concyclic, therefore A, B and D are concyclic (assuming they are not collinear).

king chopper · Jan 31, 2012

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Alright, another one ... PQ is the diameter of a circle, centre O. X is any point on the circle (not at P or Q). PX is extended to Y such that XY = OX. Find in simplest form the ratio of angle YOQ : anglee YOX

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