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Difficulty rating: 4/5.
I'm not sure if this explanation is correct for the first part, but I'll have a go:

Let the sequence be written as:



Now there exists some real number such that:

for some

Hence we can deduce that:



Now as we get

Hence there exists a sequence such that the limit as dominates , which means and it does not converge.

This will occur in a situation where as
 

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My attempt:

Part 1

First provide the counter example
Consider the series



By drawing the graph y=1/x, and constructing the upper rectangles of width 1 from 1 to some integer m, it follows that:



Take m to infinity,





Despite the fact that:



Part II

Since the sequence is decreasing, we can form the inequality:



So let the LHS be = S
And sum the RHS using complex numbers and equating the real parts, it follows that:



Now, we know that:



Therefore the last term on the RHS:



For some finite values v and u, therefore we arrive at:

for some finite limit M

Therefore due to the initial assumption that you have given us, S must converge. However it cannot converge for when (integral values of k), since if this is the case, then

(This is probably wrong notation but I'm saying that cos(2pikn) can only be one of those 2 values)

And this results in:

for some function of k f(k), which is indeterminable, so the test is not applicable here.

Part III

I'm not sure here, but I think all the conditions involved in a are necessary.

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Essentially correct although your notation hurts my head... (a_n) typically refers to the sequence (a_0,a_1,...) rather than the corresponding series.

For things like that it suffices to provide an example, in this case the harmonic series would be adequate.
 

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My attempt:

Part 1

First provide the counter example
Consider the series



By drawing the graph y=1/x, and constructing the upper rectangles of width 1 from 1 to some integer m, it follows that:



Take m to infinity,





Despite the fact that:



Part II

Since the sequence is decreasing, we can form the inequality:



So let the LHS be = S
And sum the RHS using complex numbers and equating the real parts, it follows that:



Now, we know that:



Therefore the last term on the RHS:



For some finite values v and u, therefore we arrive at:

for some finite limit M

Therefore due to the initial assumption that you have given us, S must converge. However it cannot converge for when (integral values of k), since if this is the case, then

(This is probably wrong notation but I'm saying that cos(2pikn) can only be one of those 2 values)

And this results in:

for some function of k f(k), which is indeterminable, so the test is not applicable here.

Part III

I'm not sure here, but I think all the conditions involved in a are necessary.

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Probably wrong
Your first step in II doesn't work unfortunately, remember that cos(blah) isn't always positive.
 

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A hint for my earlier question:

The corresponding result holds true for differentiable functions and is probably easier to understand for an mx2 student. The ideas behind the proofs are the same though.

 
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Using IBP



due to identity (3)



due to identity (2)

We then arrive at:




We arrive at:





And this can only arise due to our use of identities (1), (2) and (3) hence satisfying the iff condition.

I hope I haven't made a mistake with the algebra.

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Might of made a mistake but I'm sure the logic is right.
 

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Your logic and method is correct Sy, but you've made a mistake with your algebra.



















For the second part:













 

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If and only if? I don't see how it follows from your working that an f which does not satisfy f''=kff' cannot give rise to an I which has a primitive in terms of f,f',k and n...
 

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If and only if? I don't see how it follows from your working that an f which does not satisfy f''=kff' cannot give rise to an I which has a primitive in terms of f,f',k and n...
My apologies. Should simply read "if f(x)" not if and only if. I was in the middle of doing another question when i posted that one up haha; fixed it now.
 

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Cool, good question by the way.
 

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HSC 2005 :p
 

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Hey guys, here's a five marker from my school paper from last year.

The complex number z is given by z=(t-1)/(t+1) where t=a+ib and |t|= 4. Find and describe the locus of the point P which represents z.

Not the hardest of questions but still worth 5 marks so i thought id include it. you uni guys leave this one alone and leave to us 2013ers :)
 
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Hey guys, here's a five marker from my school paper (fort street) from last year.

The complex number z is given by z=(t-1)/(t+1) where t=a+ib and |t|= 4. Find and describe the locus of the point P which represents z.

Not the hardest of questions but still worth 5 marks so i thought id include it. you uni guys leave this one alone and leave to us 2013ers :)
It's worth noting that these types are not in the 4U syllabus. Still interesting though.
 

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Re: HSC 2013 4U Marathon

Hey guys, here's a five marker from my school paper (fort street) from last year.

The complex number z is given by z=(t-1)/(t+1) where t=a+ib and |t|= 4. Find and describe the locus of the point P which represents z.

Not the hardest of questions but still worth 5 marks so i thought id include it. you uni guys leave this one alone and leave to us 2013ers :)
















 
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