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kangaroo said:
No, as I had said before, God is extremely merciful. So If He had allowed this disaster then you can imagine the amount of sin it took.
It seems to me that you haven't read the bible, because If you did you'd find a plethora of examples where God has punished cities and areas for it's sin. The example that I used was the city of Sodom and Gomorrah, which were destroyed as a result of it's homosexuality. You said food/water/shelter can ease it. No, those are onlt re active measures that can be done, after such an event. I still stand by what I said, that only prayers can ease what is about to come. Everything that I have said, is in line with the bible and Jesus' messages to us. So maybe the people you were talking about that is getting embarressed, don't have a full grasp of the bible's word.

so the tsunami that killed 200, 000 was also due to a few indian homos having a good time?
 

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kangaroo said:
No, as I had said before, God is extremely merciful. So If He had allowed this disaster then you can imagine the amount of sin it took.
It seems to me that you haven't read the bible, because If you did you'd find a plethora of examples where God has punished cities and areas for it's sin. The example that I used was the city of Sodom and Gomorrah, which were destroyed as a result of it's homosexuality. You said food/water/shelter can ease it. No, those are onlt re active measures that can be done, after such an event. I still stand by what I said, that only prayers can ease what is about to come. Everything that I have said, is in line with the bible and Jesus' messages to us. So maybe the people you were talking about that is getting embarressed, don't have a full grasp of the bible's word.
Hey shitforbrains, you still haven't replied to my prior post, give me an example of god's wrath on human settlements in the NEW testament, which is the whole foundation of the christain faith! The OLD testament is the foundation for Judaism not Christainity. Stop mixing religions up... they are as different as hinduism and buddism
 

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kangaroo said:
You are very confused. God's word is God's word, the Old and the New testament. Are you saying that laws such as God's 10 commandments are not relevant for Christianity, but only for Judaism. And why do you always have to resort to swearing, can you not get you point across otherwise?

every time i read your post i think that its just a troll posting. its so riduculous and wtihout any logic that its hard not to laugh
 

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kangaroo said:
You are very confused. God's word is God's word, the Old and the New testament. Are you saying that laws such as God's 10 commandments are not relevant for Christianity, but only for Judaism. And why do you always have to resort to swearing, can you not get you point across otherwise?
Go and actually study the differences between Judaism and Christianity.

One is based on the old, one is based on the new testament. The new testament is DIFFERENT to the old as it scraps the old religious laws such as food laws, religious observation practices etc as NOT important to one's faith (the 10 commandment's were not scrapped however). Jesus did not follow these laws and christianity is based on his life and principles. Christians are supposed to live their life according to the principles and example of Jesus, that is what christianity is fundamentally about. Judaism considers that the 'messiah' has not yet come where as christianity consider's the messiah to be Jesus.

You obviously know nothing about religions. Come on, give me one example of god destroying cities as payback punishment for the sins of people on earth in the NEW TESTAMENT?


You cant!

The fact of the matter is that Christianity considers a person's sins to be judged only AFTER death on judgement day. Christian God does NOT go around whipping up massive storms or earthquakes on earth to punish people for sins. That destructive stuff is called natural phemonena. :rolleyes: Go and do some background study before trying to make an serious arguement and grow a brain please...
 
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This is the saddest thing i've seen so far...


A man holds his baby as he shows a dead body outside the New Orleans Convention Centre in New Orleans, Louisiana.
Photo: AFP
 

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Actually on second thought no need to fuck America, if the warzone and degradation in New Orleans is anything to go by, Americans will fuck themselves up :)

Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans

By Joseph R. Chenelly
Times staff writer

NEW ORLEANS — Combat operations are underway on the streets “to take this city back” in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

“This place is going to look like Little Somalia,” Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guard’s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. “We’re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.”


Jones said the military first needs to establish security throughout the city. Military and police officials have said there are several large areas of the city are in a full state of anarchy.

Dozens of military trucks and up-armored Humvees left the staging area just after 11 a.m. Friday, while hundreds more troops arrived at the same staging area in the city via Black Hawk and Chinook helicopters.


“We’re here to do whatever they need us to do,” Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon, of the Oklahoma National Guard’s 1345th Transportation Company. “We packed to stay as long as it takes.”

While some fight the insurgency in the city, other carry on with rescue and evacuation operations. Helicopters are still pulling hundreds of stranded people from rooftops of flooded homes.

Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard and police helicopters filled the city sky Friday morning. Most had armed soldiers manning the doors. According to Petty Officer 3rd Class Jeremy Grishamn, a spokesman for the amphibious assault ship Bataan, the vessel kept its helicopters at sea Thursday night after several military helicopters reported being shot at from the ground.

Numerous soldiers also told Army Times that they have been shot at by armed civilians in New Orleans. Spokesmen for the Joint Task Force Headquarters at the Superdome were unaware of any servicemen being wounded in the streets, although one soldier is recovering from a gunshot wound sustained during a struggle with a civilian in the dome Wednesday night.

“I never thought that at a National Guardsman I would be shot at by other Americans,” said Spc. Philip Baccus of the 527th Engineer Battalion. “And I never thought I’d have to carry a rifle when on a hurricane relief mission. This is a disgrace.”


Spc. Cliff Ferguson of the 527th Engineer Battalion pointed out that he knows there are plenty of decent people in New Orleans, but he said it is hard to stay motivated considering the circumstances.

“This is making a lot of us think about not reenlisting.” Ferguson said. “You have to think about whether it is worth risking your neck for someone who will turn around and shoot at you. We didn’t come here to fight a war. We came here to help.”

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php
LOL "combat operations" and "insurgency" on the US mainland, I guess its not just unrest in Iraq they have to worry about anymore! ;)
 
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If they got people out of there faster and didn't starve and dehydrate them for several days then probably wouldn't have these problems. I can't believe they are more focused on a commando military style insurgency than actually getting people out.
 

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Rape threat to our women

By Chris Tinkler and Daryl Passmore
04 Sep 05

AUSTRALIAN survivors of Hurricane Katrina told last night of their dramatic escape from New Orleans and the unfolding civil disaster in city.

The group, joyful at fleeing the nightmare of the Louisiana city, lauded one of its members as a hero.

Bud Hopes, of Brisbane, was praised for saving dozens of tourists as the supposed safe haven of the city's Superdome became a hellhole.

"I would have to say that Bud is solely responsible for our evacuation," Vanessa Cullington, 22, of Sydney, told the Sunday Herald Sun by mobile phone from a bus carrying 10 Australians to safety in Dallas, Texas.

"I dread to think what would have happened if we hadn't got out. It's so great to be free."

News of the group's escape came as reports said as many as 10,000 people might have been killed by the hurricane and its aftermath, and President George Bush ordered more troops and an increased aid effort for the stricken Gulf of Mexico states.

As the Australians left the Superdome, food and water were almost non-existent and the stiflingly hot arena was filled with 25,000 people and the stench of human waste. Gangs stalked the tourists and women were threatened with rape.

"Bud took control. He was calm and kept it together the whole time," Ms Cullington said.

Mr Hopes, 32, said: "That was the worst place in the universe. Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad.

"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives. Soldiers were shot.

"It was like a refugee camp within a prison.

"It was full on. It was the worst thing I have seen in my life. I have never been so frightened."

Realising that foreigners were a target, Mr Hopes and the other Aussies gathered tourists from Europe, South America and elsewhere into one part of the building.

"There were 65 of us, so we were able to look after each other -- especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened." Mr Hopes said.

He said they had organised escorts for the women when they had gone for food or to the toilet, and rosters to keep guard while others slept.

"We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning."

John McNeil, 20, of Brisbane, said the worst point had come after two days when soldiers had told them the power in the dome was failing and there was only 10 minutes worth of gas left.

"I looked at Bud and said, 'That will be the end of us'," Mr McNeil said.

"The gangs . . . knew where we were. If the lights had gone out we would have been in deep trouble. We prayed for a miracle and the lights stayed on."

Mr Hopes said the Australians owed their lives to a National Guard Staff Sgt Garland Ogden, who had broken the rules to get the tourists out of the dome, with 60 people being evacuated to a medical centre.

"We did some shifts at the hospital to help nurse the sick to say thank you. It was a real Aussie thing," he said.

As the bus carrying the Australians crossed the Texan border, spirits were high.

"We've had hotdogs and chips and everyone is laughing," Mr Hopes said.

Later, the bus arrived at Dallas Convention Centre, where the Australians were processed.

Family and friends gathered at the Brisbane home of Mr McNeil's parents, Peter and Mary, where they were joined by Mr Hopes's sister, Debbie Browne.

Mrs McNeil broke down when she saw images of her son leaving New Orleans.

"There have been times during this past week when we didn't know if we would see him again," she said.

Mr McNeil said he could see a change in his son.

"They've been traumatised," he said. "I think they've witnessed several atrocities."

The other Australians on the bus were Emma Hardwick, of Sydney; Simon Wood, of Wyalkatchem, WA; Michael Ryan, of Lithgow, NSW; Yasmin Bright, of Newcastle; Michelle and Lisa van Grinsven, of Sydney; and Elise Sims, Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide.

Meanwhile, three Australian couples were safe in Los Angeles, awaiting flights home after being rescued from New Orleans by a Channel 7 news crew.

Tim and Joanne Miller, of Rockhampton, Garry and Cynthia Jones, of Brisbane, and Jack and Gloria Slinger, of Perth, crammed into a four-wheel-drive vehicle with reporter Mike Amor and two colleagues for the early morning dash.

The crew had arranged to pick up two couples from the building where they were holed up and found the Slingers on the streets.

"They were very wary about about coming out of the building. It was a pretty frightening scene -- bodies, shootings, looters," Amor said.

A phone call in the middle of the night gave hope to relatives of Brisbane's Fiona Seidel and her sister-in-law, Katie Maclean.

Mrs Maclean's husband, Andrew, was contacted by a New Orleans police officer who said he had seen the pair get on a bus.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16483597^2862,00.html

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truly terrible. i pray for those who are suffering because of both mother and human nature. :(
 

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Probally posted before, but nontheless some much needed comical relief.



A week later and still order has not been restored.
The reports of the Aid being positioned behind Bush on his visit, only to disappear when he departed are pretty sickening.

Why arent they shooting, raping, eating, assulting Bush?
 
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cherryblossom said:
you mean we're not? :(:(

It's terrible, but America has the infrastructure to recover from it. I save my greater pity for the natural disasters that claim lives and houses in third world countries.

Was just reading back through some of the thread and noticed this. I totally agree cherryblossom, people who die in developed countries have it easy! :)
 

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samuelblayden said:
yes it is really sad news
an interesting statistic, perhaps: COST OF IRAQ - over US$150 billion. INITIAL COMMITMENT TO NEW ORLEANS - US$10.5 billion
 

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