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I would really love notes on Julia. I have an assessment task due in a few weeks and would really appreciate some guidance.
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Notes on Julia (Augustus' Caesar's daughter) (1 Viewer)
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well off my memory...basically she was a tramp...
she had many many lovers...married like 3 times... 2 sons i think. some would wonder how her children were legitimate...she would reply... " i d never take on a passenger without a full cargo..." basically she only slept around when she was pregnant thats about all i can remember...apart from the fact that her dad wasnt happy and wanted to kill her (stood against all the moral reforms he made)but ended up just banishing her
she had many many lovers...married like 3 times... 2 sons i think. some would wonder how her children were legitimate...she would reply... " i d never take on a passenger without a full cargo..." basically she only slept around when she was pregnant thats about all i can remember...apart from the fact that her dad wasnt happy and wanted to kill her (stood against all the moral reforms he made)but ended up just banishing her
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Yes but the 'trampiness' wasn't her idea.
Augustus forced her to marry Agrippa, and Tiberius, in the hope that she would produce a male heir to carry on the principate after he died. The fact that she didn't meant he had to keep marrying her off to new guys and hope for the best. In the end this got to her and she went off the rails, losing whatever morals she had left, and started sleeping around etc. which led Augustus to banish her, in accordance with his new social legislation.
Augustus forced her to marry Agrippa, and Tiberius, in the hope that she would produce a male heir to carry on the principate after he died. The fact that she didn't meant he had to keep marrying her off to new guys and hope for the best. In the end this got to her and she went off the rails, losing whatever morals she had left, and started sleeping around etc. which led Augustus to banish her, in accordance with his new social legislation.
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Here ya go:
Julia (39 BC 14 AD)
Oxford Classical Dictionary, 1999
Julia was the only daughter of Augustus (by Scribonia)
Betrothed in 37 BC to m. Antonius Antyllus
Son of Mark Antony, Antyllus was executed after Octavian's victory at Actium
She was brought up strictly by her father and stepmother Livia
In 25 she married her cousin Claudius Marcellus
After his death she married Agrippa in 21
To whom she bore Gaius, Lucius, Julia, Agrippina and Agrippa Postumus
Agrippa died in 12 BC
Her third marriage to Tiberius in 11 is said to have been happy at first
But problems followed
Her behaviour may have contributed to Tiberius' decision to retire from Rome in 6 BC
In 2 BC Augustus learned of her alleged adulteries (eg with Iullus Antonius)
And banished her to Pandateria
In 4 AD she was allowed to move to Rhegium
Her mother Scribonia voluntarily shared her exile
Augustus forbade her burial in his mausoleum
Tiberius kept her closely confined and stopped her allowance
So that she died of malnutrition before the end of AD 14
The later writer Macrobius speaks of her gentle disposition and learning
And gives anecdotes showing her wit
Sources
When people expressed surprise that her children looked like Agrippa, Julia replied that II only take a passenger on board when I have a full cargo.
There was ill-feeling between Julia and Livia. On one occasion at the games eyebrows were raised at the difference between Livias entourage of solemn men and the rowdy troop (grex) of young men around Julia. Augustus wrote to her to complain about her unseemly familiarity with young men. She wrote in reply, Dont worry, Ill soon make old men of them.
Macrobius
The most difficult relationship to unravel is that between Julia and Tiberius. The marriage was, we are told by Macrobius, happy at first, but the death of the son who was born in 10 BC changed that,a nd from about 7 BC Tiberius stopped living with her. This was followed by his sudden withdrawal to Rhodes in 6 BC. What prompted this drastic move?
the insight of Tacitus enables us to get close to the truth. He says that Julia looked down on Tiberius as an inferior, and that this was the real reason for her withdrawal. Julia was the first to claim superiority because of the divine blood of Augustus that flowed in her veins. Her daughter Agrippina would taunt Tiberius with precisely that notion in AD 26: How can you sacrifice to Divine Augustus while persecuting his descendants? His divine spirit does not reside in mute statues; I am his true image, born of his heavenly blood (Annals).Agrippina was repeating her mothers sentiments. Already a political slogan, the divine blood would supply an entire ideology to Agrippina's son Caligula. If c. 7 BC seems a bit early for the birth of the Julian myth, it should be remembered that the family had, since Caesar, claimed descent from Venus Genetrix.
Richard Baumann, Women and Politics in Ancient Rome
The emperor Augustus banished his daughter and made public the scandals of his House. She had received lovers in droves. She had roamed the city in nocturnal revels, choosing for her own pleasures the Forum, and the very Rostrum from which her father had proposed his adultery law. Turning from adultery to prostitution, she had stationed herself at the statue of Marsyas, seeking gratification of every kind in the arms of casual lovers. Enragesd beyond measure, Augustus revealed what he should have punished in private. Late r he regretted not having drawn a veil of silence over matters of which he had been unaware until it was too late.
Seneca
The significance of Julias adulteries
Up to this point the picture is consistent and credible. The basis of the complaints against Julia and her friends was adultery and intoxicated revelry. The industrious Seneca adds an important detail: His failing years were alarmed by his daughter and the noble youths who were bound to her by adultery as if by a military oath; again he had to fear a woman in league with an Antony. The same Seneca, we recall, attests lovers being admitted in droves. Julias entorage at the games, to which Livia took such strong exception, was a drove. She headed a coterie which included adultery in its pursuits.
Dio says that Iullus Antonius was punished capitally because by taking part in the revels he was considered to have designs on the monarchy but there is no foundation for the view that Julia and Iullus intended to kill Augustus and replace him. Rather, the coterie was protesting, but what about? Julias circle did have a specific objective. It was an intensification, precisely in 2 BC, of the attacks on tadition that the group had been mounting for some time. There was a reason why that intensification occurred precisely in 2 BC. There was also a reason why Augustus reacted precisely at that time to a state of affairs that had been going on for ten years or more.
It was in 2 BC that the status of pater patriae, father of his country, was conferred on Augustus. The status was his last constitutional acquisition and set the final seal on his reign. It was seen as a transfer of the state into the power of Augustus, as if into the power of the head of a family but Julia and her friends were not impressed, and they showed their contempt by perpetrating the most outrageous acts in the forum and on the rostrum.
The circle of Julia had given a devastating reply to the honour which had just been conferred; they had made a mockery of Augustus' lifelong dedication to morals and the family. Julia, hostile to the reform programme which sought to restrain her right to do whatever she liked, long resentful of her role as a matrimonial pawn, responding both to public (especially equestrian) opinion and the pressures from the group, allowed herself to stage this monumental insult to the newly created pater patriae.
Richard Baumann, Women and Politics in Ancient Rome
Julia (39 BC 14 AD)
Oxford Classical Dictionary, 1999
Julia was the only daughter of Augustus (by Scribonia)
Betrothed in 37 BC to m. Antonius Antyllus
Son of Mark Antony, Antyllus was executed after Octavian's victory at Actium
She was brought up strictly by her father and stepmother Livia
In 25 she married her cousin Claudius Marcellus
After his death she married Agrippa in 21
To whom she bore Gaius, Lucius, Julia, Agrippina and Agrippa Postumus
Agrippa died in 12 BC
Her third marriage to Tiberius in 11 is said to have been happy at first
But problems followed
Her behaviour may have contributed to Tiberius' decision to retire from Rome in 6 BC
In 2 BC Augustus learned of her alleged adulteries (eg with Iullus Antonius)
And banished her to Pandateria
In 4 AD she was allowed to move to Rhegium
Her mother Scribonia voluntarily shared her exile
Augustus forbade her burial in his mausoleum
Tiberius kept her closely confined and stopped her allowance
So that she died of malnutrition before the end of AD 14
The later writer Macrobius speaks of her gentle disposition and learning
And gives anecdotes showing her wit
Sources
When people expressed surprise that her children looked like Agrippa, Julia replied that II only take a passenger on board when I have a full cargo.
There was ill-feeling between Julia and Livia. On one occasion at the games eyebrows were raised at the difference between Livias entourage of solemn men and the rowdy troop (grex) of young men around Julia. Augustus wrote to her to complain about her unseemly familiarity with young men. She wrote in reply, Dont worry, Ill soon make old men of them.
Macrobius
The most difficult relationship to unravel is that between Julia and Tiberius. The marriage was, we are told by Macrobius, happy at first, but the death of the son who was born in 10 BC changed that,a nd from about 7 BC Tiberius stopped living with her. This was followed by his sudden withdrawal to Rhodes in 6 BC. What prompted this drastic move?
the insight of Tacitus enables us to get close to the truth. He says that Julia looked down on Tiberius as an inferior, and that this was the real reason for her withdrawal. Julia was the first to claim superiority because of the divine blood of Augustus that flowed in her veins. Her daughter Agrippina would taunt Tiberius with precisely that notion in AD 26: How can you sacrifice to Divine Augustus while persecuting his descendants? His divine spirit does not reside in mute statues; I am his true image, born of his heavenly blood (Annals).Agrippina was repeating her mothers sentiments. Already a political slogan, the divine blood would supply an entire ideology to Agrippina's son Caligula. If c. 7 BC seems a bit early for the birth of the Julian myth, it should be remembered that the family had, since Caesar, claimed descent from Venus Genetrix.
Richard Baumann, Women and Politics in Ancient Rome
The emperor Augustus banished his daughter and made public the scandals of his House. She had received lovers in droves. She had roamed the city in nocturnal revels, choosing for her own pleasures the Forum, and the very Rostrum from which her father had proposed his adultery law. Turning from adultery to prostitution, she had stationed herself at the statue of Marsyas, seeking gratification of every kind in the arms of casual lovers. Enragesd beyond measure, Augustus revealed what he should have punished in private. Late r he regretted not having drawn a veil of silence over matters of which he had been unaware until it was too late.
Seneca
The significance of Julias adulteries
Up to this point the picture is consistent and credible. The basis of the complaints against Julia and her friends was adultery and intoxicated revelry. The industrious Seneca adds an important detail: His failing years were alarmed by his daughter and the noble youths who were bound to her by adultery as if by a military oath; again he had to fear a woman in league with an Antony. The same Seneca, we recall, attests lovers being admitted in droves. Julias entorage at the games, to which Livia took such strong exception, was a drove. She headed a coterie which included adultery in its pursuits.
Dio says that Iullus Antonius was punished capitally because by taking part in the revels he was considered to have designs on the monarchy but there is no foundation for the view that Julia and Iullus intended to kill Augustus and replace him. Rather, the coterie was protesting, but what about? Julias circle did have a specific objective. It was an intensification, precisely in 2 BC, of the attacks on tadition that the group had been mounting for some time. There was a reason why that intensification occurred precisely in 2 BC. There was also a reason why Augustus reacted precisely at that time to a state of affairs that had been going on for ten years or more.
It was in 2 BC that the status of pater patriae, father of his country, was conferred on Augustus. The status was his last constitutional acquisition and set the final seal on his reign. It was seen as a transfer of the state into the power of Augustus, as if into the power of the head of a family but Julia and her friends were not impressed, and they showed their contempt by perpetrating the most outrageous acts in the forum and on the rostrum.
The circle of Julia had given a devastating reply to the honour which had just been conferred; they had made a mockery of Augustus' lifelong dedication to morals and the family. Julia, hostile to the reform programme which sought to restrain her right to do whatever she liked, long resentful of her role as a matrimonial pawn, responding both to public (especially equestrian) opinion and the pressures from the group, allowed herself to stage this monumental insult to the newly created pater patriae.
Richard Baumann, Women and Politics in Ancient Rome