POLITICAL TRAP: Gillard, Abbott hide from angry protesters (1 Viewer)

[townie]

Hmm, I see a lot of "I don't see why we should be throwing money at aborigines because 200 years ago British people came along and did X" which is fair enough, I think that's part of the problem, that money is being used as some sort of reparations for past wrongs. It shouldn't be about that, but I do think that when you have a group of people, aboriginal or otherwise, who generally have lower levels of health and life expectancy, money should be invested on trying to improve outcomes for that group. The problem is that money isn't being invested, it's just being spent pointlessly, possibly out of guilt, without even looking at where it might be best spent.

Also I saw some Census figures before, there is a well known undercount of aboriginal and Torres strait islander populations, espescially in metropolitan areas, people tend to not self identify on Census, where in other situations they might. I suspect there will be some better figures the time (note:, Standard Public Servant Disclaimer: these are my own personal views on the Census and should not be taken to represent the official view of the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

 

[Lentern]

Hmm, I see a lot of "I don't see why we should be throwing money at aborigines because 200 years ago British people came along and did X" which is fair enough, I think that's part of the problem, that money is being used as some sort of reparations for past wrongs. It shouldn't be about that, but I do think that when you have a group of people, aboriginal or otherwise, who generally have lower levels of health and life expectancy, money should be invested on trying to improve outcomes for that group. The problem is that money isn't being invested, it's just being spent pointlessly, possibly out of guilt, without even looking at where it might be best spent.

Also I saw some Census figures before, there is a well known undercount of aboriginal and Torres strait islander populations, espescially in metropolitan areas, people tend to not self identify on Census, where in other situations they might. I suspect there will be some better figures the time (note:, Standard Public Servant Disclaimer: these are my own personal views on the Census and should not be taken to represent the official view of the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

It's much sadder to hear well meaning statements like this then just the cynical Aborigine bashing you hear in other places. The efforts of non-aboriginal Australians to make amends for the injustices of the past have, whether through misguidance or insufficiency, been thoroughly ineffective. The scars of the invasion have not healed; the indignity, the cruelty and the injustice inflicted upon the oldest continuing culture in human history still threatens the prosperity, the future and indeed the survival of this same culture. The State governments and the Commonwealth government were overseers of these crimes; they are institutions which failed to conduct themselves within the bounds of what might reasonably be considered humane behaviour. When a person wrongs another, the Australian Justice system does not mitigate the responsibility of the wrongdoer in accordance with the threshold for wrongdoing of the victim. Yet somehow we would would propose that the same commitment to justice imbued within our code of tort law should not be extended to combat the greatest injustice to have occurred in our nation’s history?

 

[Riproot]

I think abos need to stop being so crazy.
Be more white.
Assimilation.
I mean, keep your culture, language, art and shit, but be less shit and stop thinking people are trying to take it away from you.
Gosh.

 

[paraplegicmeilz]

what if
some cultures just arent
as good as other cultures

 

[Riproot]

I know the conversation has moved on slightly from this but my family only came to Australia twenty years ago, like many of the citizens today our ancestors did not take land from the Aborigines. My whole life however I will be paying taxes for something that not only occurred over two hundred years ago but for an incident we had nothing to do with. Is this really fair? I mean from what I know, which i admit is limited due to my lack of interest, but the Aboriginal people get a lot more than some of us white people. We aren't rolling in money either. Enough is enough.
I hope I did not offend anyone or rub anyone the wrong way or whatever. But that is my opinion.

No one living had anything to do with it you idiot.
Why should I have to pay for it and not you just because my ancestors were in the first fleet? I didn't do anything wrong, but someone in my bloodline might've so I totes have an obligation to make it right. Okay then.
If you don't like it then get out.
AU55!3 PR!D3

I honestly think they handled it wrong in the first place, when you invade somewhere you have to kill all of the original inhabitants.
We'd have very few problems abo-wise if that was done in the beginning.

 

[Riproot]

what if
some cultures just arent
as good as other cultures

Who cares?
If someone wants to uphold their culture then go ahead, just be less shit about it.

 

[lpower3]

It genuinely makes me sick that in a country of 22 million+, that these two idiots are the best politicians we can produce.

 

[Riproot]

It genuinely makes me sick that in a country of 22 million+, that these two idiots are the best politicians we can produce.

lol
Weren't they both born in other countries?

 

[Lentern]

It genuinely makes me sick that in a country of 22 million+, that these two idiots are the best politicians we can produce.

By two idiots you refer to a Rhodes Scholar and a former partner at Slater and Gordon?

 

[paraplegicmeilz]

liberals are just trying to appeal to the masses and appease their tradional supporters + the backwards nationals
they know they cant compete with the socialism of the greens/alp, we are a massive welfare state (which should go against liberal values) and its going to take a lot to fix this
and gillard is just a union pmuppet

australia only has itself to blame

 

[paraplegicmeilz]

they are both incredibly smart individuals
pandering to the australian public, who are morons
today tonight ranks pretty highly in television viewership

 

[lpower3]

they are both incredibly smart individuals
pandering to the australian public, who are morons
today tonight ranks pretty highly in television viewership

well at the end of the day, those dickheads who watch a current affair and today tonight are the ones who cast their vote.
like someone previously said, these are people who are fucking lawyers. surely they should know that if they say the right things their popularity will increase.

if Rudd stayed in powerm australian politics would be 7000x better.

 

[Lentern]

well at the end of the day, those dickheads who watch a current affair and today tonight are the ones who cast their vote.
like someone previously said, these are people who are fucking lawyers. surely they should know that if they say the right things their popularity will increase.

if Rudd stayed in powerm australian politics would be 7000x better.

I was and still am against the coup against Rudd and I've no doubt that the Labor government would be more popular now than it was but generally most of the noise has said that under Gillard with her more cooperative and inclusive style of government than Rudd's top down presidential leadership, the formulation and administration of government policy has been a lot more efficient and effective, the glaring exception being immigration policy. Take for the example climate change, Rudd had about 75% national support to put a carbon price in from the day he was elected and faffed about for two and a half years without ever getting it legislated. Gillard navigated a policy which is 99% the same, through both houses of parliament within six months of having announced it.

 

[paraplegicmeilz]

rudd

haha get out

 

[paraplegicmeilz]

well at the end of the day, those dickheads who watch a current affair and today tonight are the ones who cast their vote.
like someone previously said, these are people who are fucking lawyers. surely they should know that if they say the right things their popularity will increase.

if Rudd stayed in powerm australian politics would be 7000x better.

democracy son
the public are idiots and the leaders are just pandering to what they want
what is wrong with this?
what would you suggest? some sort of technocracy?

 

[Chemical Ali]

lol
Weren't they both born in other countries?

i heard Gillard is actually a kenyan muslim

 

[lpower3]

I was and still am against the coup against Rudd and I've no doubt that the Labor government would be more popular now than it was but generally most of the noise has said that under Gillard with her more cooperative and inclusive style of government than Rudd's top down presidential leadership, the formulation and administration of government policy has been a lot more efficient and effective, the glaring exception being immigration policy. Take for the example climate change, Rudd had about 75% national support to put a carbon price in from the day he was elected and faffed about for two and a half years without ever getting it legislated. Gillard navigated a policy which is 99% the same, through both houses of parliament within six months of having announced it.

this is true.

although the majority of this current thread is pointed at abbott, i also beleive it probably wouldnt of happened with rudd in power. he made it his priority to say sorry s soon as he got into power. economically rudd's economic stimulus package got us out of trouble when shit was really starting to hit the fan. it has been shown that of the countries in the G20, Australia pulled out of the gfc pretty well compared to anywhere else; hell america is still in shit!
probably getting sidetracked a little but i just think rudd is what we still need and it really wouldnt surprise me if he tried to regain leadership within the next year before the next election.

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

this is true.

although the majority of this current thread is pointed at abbott, i also beleive it probably wouldnt of happened with rudd in power. he made it his priority to say sorry s soon as he got into power. economically rudd's economic stimulus package got us out of trouble when shit was really starting to hit the fan. it has been shown that of the countries in the G20, Australia pulled out of the gfc pretty well compared to anywhere else; hell america is still in shit!
probably getting sidetracked a little but i just think rudd is what we still need and it really wouldnt surprise me if he tried to regain leadership within the next year before the next election.

Resources + China brah

Heaps of other countries also implemented fiscal plans were also in shit.

 

[paraplegicmeilz]

ha ha mate

 

[lpower3]

democracy son
the public are idiots and the leaders are just pandering to what they want
what is wrong with this?
what would you suggest? some sort of technocracy?

stop the boats = more votes from bogans.
works for abbott