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Saddam trial 'flawed and unsound'
Saddam Hussein as death sentence is delivered. 5 November, 2006
Court proceedings were marked by frequent outbursts
The trial of Saddam Hussein was so flawed that its verdict is unsound, the advocacy group Human Rights Watch says.

The former Iraqi leader was sentenced to death on 5 November after being convicted of crimes against humanity.

But HRW said it had documented "serious administrative, procedural and substantive legal defects" that meant he did not get a fair trial.

The Iraqi government has dismissed the report, telling the BBC that the trial was both "just and fair".

Appeal controversy

Saddam Hussein has two more weeks to lodge an appeal against the verdict - but his lawyer claims he has been blocked from doing so.

Chief defence lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi told the BBC his team had been prevented from filing appeal papers. Under Iraqi law it must be done within a month of sentencing.


We stand really by the court's verdict, and we believe the trial was just and fair
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari
However, the chief prosecutor, Jafaar al-Mousawi, has told the BBC it was a fair trial.

He said the appeal would be automatic because a death sentence had been passed - and that the relevant papers had been sent to the appeal court.

Mr al-Mousawi's claims that the trial was fair were echoed by Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari:

"We believe strongly that the trial was fair and Saddam Hussein had every right to defend himself," he told the BBC. "The procedure, I think, in the court, was witnessed by the whole world."

"It wasn't something done behind closed doors or through summary justice, as was the case during his rule. And we stand really by the court's verdict, and we believe the trial was just and fair."

Historical record

Saddam Hussein and seven co-defendants all faced charges of crimes against humanity relating to the deaths of 148 people in the mainly Shia town of Dujail following an assassination attempt on the Iraqi leader in 1982.

Chief Judge Raouf Abdel Rahman
Judge Raouf Abdel Rahman replaced an earlier chief judge
Two of his co-defendants also received death sentences.

Saddam Hussein is now being tried on a different set of charges relating to a military campaign against ethnic Kurds in the late 1980s, in which more than 180,000 people are alleged to have died.

The New York-based HRW group said the trials were among the most important since the Nazi trials in Nuremberg after World War II.

They "represent the first opportunity to create a historical record concerning some of the worst cases of human rights violations, and to begin the process of a methodical accounting of the policies and decisions that give rise to these events", the report said.

The BBC's David Loyn in Baghdad says HRW's disappointment is the greater because it considers the Iraqi court to have failed to take account of the international significance of this trial and the one currently under way.

Supporters of war crimes trials say that they can improve healing after conflict, our correspondent says, but like so much else in post-Saddam Iraq, his trial does not seem to have achieved that lofty ambition.

Lawyers murdered

HRW based its scathing assessment on extensive observation of court proceedings, and interviews with judges, prosecutors, defence lawyers and court administrators involved.


The imposition of the death penalty - an inherently cruel and inhumane punishment - in the wake of an unfair trial is indefensible
Human Rights Watch

The trial took just over one year to complete and was the first case brought before the Iraqi High Tribunal.

Proceedings were marked by frequent outbursts by both judges and defendants.

Three defence lawyers were murdered, three judges left the five-member panel and the original chief judge was replaced.

Defence lawyers boycotted proceedings but HRW said court-appointed counsel that took their place lacked adequate training in international law.

In addition, important documents were not given to defence lawyers in advance, no written transcript was kept and paperwork was lost, said HRW.

The defence was also prevented from cross-examining witnesses and the judges made asides that pre-judged Saddam Hussein.

'Indefensible penalty'

The US-led Coalition Provisional Authority decided that the Dujail trial would be held by an Iraqi court in Iraq, ruling out an international tribunal or a mixed Iraqi-international court under UN auspices, the HRW report said.

Counsel for Saddam Hussein
Three defence lawyers were murdered during the trial
Because Iraqi lawyers and judges had been isolated from international criminal law, this decision resulted in a court that lacked the expertise to prosecute crimes against humanity on its own, the report said.

Defence counsel come under criticism in the report for trying to use the court as a political platform.

Meanwhile, the Iraqi government was guilty of influencing the independence of the judges, the report said, to the extent that the first chief judge resigned.

"Under such circumstances the soundness of the verdict is questionable," HRW concludes.

"In addition, the imposition of the death penalty - an inherently cruel and inhumane punishment - in the wake of an unfair trial is indefensible."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6163938.stm

 

[littlewing69]

Typical coward libtard who prefer submission instead of fighting. Fact, there has not been any terrorists attack since 9/11 in USA, its pretty succesful, No attack in Australia despite numerous attempts by muslim terrorists, thanks to australian intelligence and police forces.

I have a special rock which repels bears. It has worked splendidly so far.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Personally I'd like to see large scale terrorist attacks killing tens of thousands of people in Australia and various European countries just to shut the moonbats up.

Though mind you, when that happened in Spain, they promptly surrendered...

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Looks like Germany needs a better rock http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6164886.stm

damn bears

of course once you believe it's all a conspiracy to scare people, which you probably do, there's not much point posting this

 

[littlewing69]

Looks like Germany needs a better rock http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6164886.stm

damn bears

of course once you believe it's all a conspiracy to scare people, which you probably do, there's not much point posting this

Brush up on your reading comprehension, champ. I didn't say there was no threat, I just said that Bushco wasn't 'beating terror'.

 

[withoutaface]

I have a special rock which repels bears. It has worked splendidly so far.

The rock repels tigers. The bears are repelled by the bear patrol helicopters.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Brush up on your reading comprehension, champ. I didn't say there was no threat, I just said that Bushco wasn't 'beating terror'.

But why's there been dozens of attempts in Europe and none in the USA since 2001?

 

[HotShot]

But why's there been dozens of attempts in Europe and none in the USA since 2001?

cos they are the already hammering the US in iraq and afghanistan..

 

[Captain Gh3y]

cos they are the already hammering the US in iraq and afghanistan..

Looks like the mainstream media's attempts to convince everyone they're losing are working.

 

[Forbidden.]

But there are people desperate to kill without breaking the law and Saddam is the perfect candidate for firearms slaughter.
I wish I was a casual firing squad member so I could shoot Saddam's face in with an AK-47.

 

[timlay]

that's inhumane..he might have been a dictator, but aren't we supposed to be democratic? we didn't get any 'weapons' in iraq....yet we still attacked. i don't think he deserves to die.... it's really slack. more like george bush doing the wrong thing, and needing a scapegoat.

"Saddam found in a hole" and the first images of saddam were pretty funny...anyway.. isn't he going to die from some disease anyway?

 

[onebytwo]

Looks like the mainstream media's attempts to convince everyone they're losing are working.

are you suggesting their winning? how do you measure success in war?
i thought Blair already conceded the war has been a failure.

 

[littlewing69]

Looks like the mainstream media's attempts to convince everyone they're losing are working.

Iraq is still not subdued after 3 years of combat operations, factional violence is increasing, and even the jackasses who started the war are now admitting they've fucked up.

Afghanistan, a war which was much more worthwhile IMO, has been allowed to spiral increasingly out of control as the US focuses on the clusterfuck in Iraq, and the Taliban is resurgent, the central government has little control as warlords et al control much of the country.

But I suppose it's all a vast liberal conspiracy, right? The Iraqis are actually watching MTV and drinking Coca Cola and singing Star Spangled Banner and Afghanistan is a haven of peaceful liberal democracy. Man, those lefties at Fox News sure have pulled the wool over our eyes!

 

[HotShot]

The Iraqis are actually watching MTV and drinking Coca Cola and singing Star Spangled Banner and Afghanistan is a haven of peaceful liberal democracy. Man, those lefties at Fox News sure have pulled the wool over our eyes!

They are, but not the iraqis in iraq - the iraqis in Australian and america are hooked onto MTV!

 

[littlewing69]

that's inhumane..he might have been a dictator, but aren't we supposed to be democratic?

What does being democratic have to do with the death penalty? The world's foremost democratic state has the death penalty in many states.

 

[timlay]

i meant as in, we didn't find any 'weapons' ...

besides, most countries have abolished the death sentence anyway.

 

[littlewing69]

i meant as in, we didn't find any 'weapons' ...

Still not seeing the 'democracy' link. Unless you're commenting on the fair apathetic response the public has offered to the obvious and repeated lies of our leader. Sometimes democracy sucks, aye.

besides, most countries have abolished the death sentence anyway.

I wouldn't be so sure.

 

[Forbidden.]

that's inhumane..he might have been a dictator, but aren't we supposed to be democratic? we didn't get any 'weapons' in iraq....yet we still attacked. i don't think he deserves to die.... it's really slack. more like george bush doing the wrong thing, and needing a scapegoat.

"Saddam found in a hole" and the first images of saddam were pretty funny...anyway.. isn't he going to die from some disease anyway?

George Bush is another candidate, if he is ever sentenced to death, I would do the exact same thing.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

But that only matters if you think international law is important.

 

[Forbidden.]

Only certain states in the USA have the death penalty, if you cross the wrong border, BOOM ! But not worth taking bets ...