School funding (2 Viewers)

[Rafy]

yeah do a search

This has being extensively discused

 

[mr_shittles]

i have a simple system.

Every student should recieve funding, by this i mean, for example, a year 1 student, might attract a rate of $1000, if a school has 50 year 1 students, they get $50000. Also the governent should pay for all schools utilities costs and insurance. each school should also get a library grant, and a computer grant. then, the rest of the money should be divided up between government schools based on size, need, etc.

That's kinda what already happens in Australia! The Federal government gives a funding per student (skewed more favourably to private schools because of their new funding formula) and the state provides the money for almost exclusively for goverment schools (and small subsidies and concessions that are available to all students/schools - public or prviate).

 

[Generator]

Not related intrincately to the topic, but meh:

I read in the paper that public school students fare better at uni than private school students, because in public schools the pupils usualy can only depend on themselves to do well (useless teachers, some of them) instead of given lots of assistance and guidance from teachers at private schools).

http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=66205 (General University forum)
http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?t=66223&highlight=public+school+students (this forum)

Sorry .

 

[Not-That-Bright]

yea mr_shittles, however ALL UP (state + federal) funding - Private schools get less... Of course.
Under townies system private schools would get much more

The government wants to implement a system like townies for public schools, so that government funding evens out a bit more for them too.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

Public, but I still support funding private schools. I'm sure it's in those other threads somewhere

 

[pig_93]

Public, but I still support funding private schools. I'm sure it's in those other threads somewhere

just a lovely question.... W H Y ?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

just a lovely question.... W H Y ?

Well for one example, if the government stops funding private schools, they will inevitably raise fee's (sure some will of course close). And private schools will become more of a protective education institution for the rich elite. (unlike today, where most private schools are accessable by those in the low-middle income bracket).

I went to one of the poorest highschools in western sydney, untill years 11/12 when i switched to a private school.

 

[Rafy]

Well private school ppl pay their taxes as well (usually they contribute more than others due to higher incomes) and they are part of the community so why shouldnt they get their share of funding?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Oh of course! and i think it's terrible that we've become a fast spending "credit card" society. And it's getting worse... look at our generation, most of my friends have almost NO savings, they spend all their money when they go out partying, they want the BMW NOW, not later...

I don't know how exactly to combat this? I guess the interest rate rise should have scared some of these people off (imo if you can't handle even a significant rise, you shouldn't be in that much debt).

 

[Generator]

My thoughts on the matter.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

My thoughts on the matter.

So you're suggesting that we take into account the "private" contributions when giving money to schools? to what extent? should we do it to the extent where private schools have the same ammount of money as government schools?

I agree that it's important, and perhaps a school such as kings which recieves such high fee's should be given allllmost NO government funding (allowing them to finally become a school only for the rich elite, they might as well be).

But with smaller private schools, where fee's are say $4000-6000 a year, should they be given so much less government funding that they end up with the same ammount of money to spend per student? I don't believe they should, parents should be encouraged to invest their money in their children (at least somewhat).

 

[Generator]

The government should, and does, support each and every school, but it has no role in promoting social division through the 'subsidisation' of elitism and exclusivity. The problem is in finding a balance that enables each and every school (public or not) to provide a well-resourced teaching/learning environment... A difficult task.

In no way am I saying that I know how to address the issue so that all are satisfied, Not-That-Bright.

 

[Vahl]

There is no issue over private vs public school funding because private schools simply shouldn't exist.

Whilst the cost to government is less with allowing private schools to exist the cost to the economy in general is much greater in the short and long term. ie the immediate higher costs of repeated beaurocracies and specialist pastoral services + the long term costs of distorted results in HSC etc placing people in career positons where they are not the best candidate and therefore less efficiency throughout the economy. Therefore resulting in lower competitiveness and national output.

On the question of choice, choice is a relative concept because the impact of the 'choice' of sending one's child to a private school varies between people of different income groups. Children are not the property of their parents, and therefore parents should not be allowed to 'invest' in their childrens future. Children from a wealthy background should not be placed at a further advantage to those from a financially disadvantaged one and if the federal government was truly interested in rewarding hard working, 'aspiring' people then they would do all they could to ensure an even starting field rather than stacking the odds against the poor.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

so i guess, under your plan... everyone should be made to have the same equipment, same teachers, etc etc etc..?

Equality wouldn't be reached, people would still hire private tutors etc

 

[MoonlightSonata]

just a lovely question.... W H Y ?

I did direct you to the threads posted, but basically because people deserve to be supported in their child's education, whatever school they choose. Not everyone attending a private school is filthy rich you know.

 

[Rafy]

Exactly. Alot of the students going to my school are quite poor (esp those from the country) and their parents are obviously struggling to send them there.

 

[2sense]

If you work hard. you will succeed. No matter if it is public or private school.

 

[jennylim]

There is no issue over private vs public school funding because private schools simply shouldn't exist.

that's a little harsh. i think private schools contribute quite a lot to society in several ways - by providing a good service and by taking kids out of the public sector (whose parents also pay for that thru taxes). many parents (including mine) struggled to put us through private education - even though i have a half scholarship now. it's hard to generalise. so while i did admire latham for saying what he did - i know he voiced what a lot of people thought - i must say i couldn't bring myself to agree with it.

 

[velox]

Vahl3 ur a dick. Anyone can spend there money on whatever they want.

 

[Vahl]

Vahl3 ur a dick. Anyone can spend there money on whatever they want.

Sure, but a parents expenditure should not impact upon the future options of their child relative to other children. ie no one chooses into what family they are born and it is unfair that some will be placed at an advantage. This is especially true when you consider that not everyone has the money to send their children to a private school, and so the concept of having the right to spend your money where you want is relative because a less wealthy family may have no choice but to spend all their money on meeting the basic needs of their family.

Considering that it is in general wealthy families who can afford to send their children to private schools it can be seen that a class divide is opening up between the wealthy and the poor as the wealthy are able to buy their children greater opportunities in higher education, which translates to higher incomes and higher power in society.