So how much does a Doctor really earn? (2 Viewers)

[lifequest]

Source plz.

Yes source please.

Unless if my aunty and cousins are both EXTREME outliers.
First year maybe 36k (still doubt it).

As for a GP making less than $100/day.
4 patients a day?

My GP gets about 4 patients in 30 minutes!

 

[lifequest]

oh yay highest suicide rate of any profession ^^

There is an urban legend, recently repeated on Seinfeld, that dentists have the highest suicide rate of any profession. This is false.

The effects of TV huh? Amazing people will eat anything TV cooks up for them. =P

 

[lolcal]

at one of the surgery's my dad owns (country nsw, near forster) one of the doctor's who is up there for a while is on 15k a week, which dad gets 30% of. but idk how many hours that dude is working, he lost millions when his stocks crashed lol.

but yeah, easily possible to earn 5k+ a week with longish hours as a gp with good experience/if you're well liked and people want to go to you.

 

[lolcal]

p.s. don't become a doctor if you're a) foreign as fuck, b) can't communicate, c) have no grasp of the english language outside of writing the essays you need to get the uai and d) you're socially inept. you'll make a shit doctor and all your patients will mock you and all the good doctors will laugh at you.

 

[PrettyVacant]

p.s. don't become a doctor if you're a) foreign as fuck, b) can't communicate, c) have no grasp of the english language outside of writing the essays you need to get the uai and d) you're socially inept. you'll make a shit doctor and all your patients will mock you and all the good doctors will laugh at you.

Interviews weed out most social retards.

And also the UAI for medicine isn't that high.

And you can just be a pathologist if you really suck at communicating.

 

[lolcal]

Interviews weed out most social retards.

not really hey, it isn't hard to know the answers the interviewers are looking for, was it uqld that dumped the interviews because they were sick of everyone coming in with the 'perfect' answers?

 

[omgd.]

my dad gets paid pretty decentt..... im not sure what it is now, but when i saw it on the comp about a yr ago it was about 180p/hr

duties are usually 10-12hrs

so youre seeing about 2000 a day

however like 40% of it goes to tax

which is ridiculouss....

-_-"

i remember dad saying once that if he got 1000 about 400 of it goes to taxes, so its pretty gayyy...

but just because the pay is goood, it comes wayyyyyy afterr..... he had to study for like years till he got to where he is, and after seeing him iv lost all desire in medicinee, so if its just for the money id think twice, u gotta have a lot of persistence till it gets to the good stuff, a lott.....

edit; im pretty sure it also depends on what part of the field youre specialising in, i guess because my dads a doc i know less, because when its your mum/dad, you dont think of it that way, and ive never thought to ask =S

 

[Bacilli]

I wouldn't pay tax.
Prefer to go to prison than to pay 40%.
Pay land tax, GST, and 40%; wasn't born with enough middle fingers.
Idiot pollies with their obese wives who rip-off the tax payers.

RED!

 

[soporific]

around 40k for interns.. first year and, increases progressively from year / experience

but if you specialise... or you do locum shifts in rural areas or places desperately in need of doctors they can pay up to $250 per hour.

but apparently med isn't for those who want money. and i agree. just ask both of my parents who have been at it more than half their lives.

they are constanly stressed. they are worn out. in my opinion they don't get paid enough for the amount of work they put in... but hey, they enjoy it so i can't say much.

 

[KFunk]

around 40k for interns.. first year and, increases progressively from year / experience

It's a bit higher than that. From the last AMSA intern/residents guide intern salaries varied between 47k (Vic) and 55k (Queensland). This is probably for a 40hr working week (or something like a 76hr fortnight). Overtime is often along the lines of 1.5x for the first two hours, and 2x for further hours. Similarly, rates are increased for overnight shift work and weekends.

It is thus very feasible for interns to make 60-70k, though the overtime situation may change with increasing student numbers.

Resident (PGY2) base salaries are around the 58k mark (and then add overtime...).

From memory registrar salaries probably sit around 65k - 90k (they increase as they progress) and so it is quite feasible for many of them to be breaking 6 figures after factoring in overtime/weekends/etc.

 

[Bacilli]

I visited my doctor the other day and asked her does she enjoy her job. She laughed and said "I did bacilli, but I am greatly moved by the lack of interest from the Government for the welfare of the Australian people, especially aboriginal people." <~~ sometum like that, not exact words. She worked in a hospital for 11 years before opening her own practice. After she said that I noticed her mood changed from up to down, her tone changed also as well as her body language.

Well, what I'm try'n to say is that the current system is very sick, it's impactings staff severely. Requires major restructuring including harsher English testing for NSWHEALTH staff IMO; without effective communication between staff, people in the care of our system will die due to incompetence and ignorance.

 

[KFunk]

See page 97 for a general idea: http://www.health.act.gov.au/c/health?a=sendfile&ft=p&fid=-1525588574&sid= (also note that specialist salaries are for those working full time in the public system)

 

[SoAmazing]

Lawyers with a 36k a year average? thats ludicrous! the average salary for a lawyer fresh out of law school is in the mid forties and progressively increases from there. you are looking at an average of 150K a year for the profession as a whole and 300K+ a year if you make partner. Just an example , my uncle is currently a partner at a law firm in america ( Watchell, lipton et al) and he is earning 2.7million a year. But that is one of the largest law firm in america and he has hideous hours of work everyweek. he appears to love his work though

 

[kevinx2]

Medical and Healthcare Salary Information - Updated Weekly at MyCareer
A million zillion dollars

Legal Salary Information - Updated Weekly at MyCareer
Negative a trillion cajillion dollars

 

[lionking1191]

Lawyers with a 36k a year average? thats ludicrous! the average salary for a lawyer fresh out of law school is in the mid forties and progressively increases from there. you are looking at an average of 150K a year for the profession as a whole and 300K+ a year if you make partner. Just an example , my uncle is currently a partner at a law firm in america ( Watchell, lipton et al) and he is earning 2.7million a year. But that is one of the largest law firm in america and he has hideous hours of work everyweek. he appears to love his work though

yes i was referring to 1st year averages, they do rise sharply with experience. partner is a different story - you do work long and hard to get there.

source is the careers guide thing our school stocks in our library... so no hyperlinks im afraid haha.

not really hey, it isn't hard to know the answers the interviewers are looking for, was it uqld that dumped the interviews because they were sick of everyone coming in with the 'perfect' answers?

it was more like they dumped it coz they couldn't afford it.. LOL

 

[omgd.]

i don't know how true this is,
but i talked to a lawyer who i did work experience with
and i asked him how much do lawyers really get paid
because ive had a teacher who was also a part time lawyer/bus driver
and that kinda got me thinking.....well basically..... wtf why is a lawyer driving a bus
and he told me
that doc's are always in demand & people always go to them mainly because

a) Medicare takes care of majority of fees
b) its to do with your body, you cant neglect it

but with lawyers, you have to pay on your own, and you end up spending more than you can get out at the end of your case on avg and thus less people actually bother going to lawyers

and what really shocked me is when he said

' in Australia less than 5% of lawyers get paid more than 50 000 a year '


...


after that i just thought
to hell with law
theres no way im spending all those years studying law
just to get paid 50grand a year

 

[Babbu]

It's a shame that most, if not all students who want to be a doctor, are infact simply lured by high income and prestige. But they show to their school authorities just the opposite, that they want to serve the comminuty.

In school, they pretend they are compassionate, caring and very helpful towards thier fellow students and overall community. They use all tactics to become students leaders and pretend to be very helpful just to get a vote...simply to have their school give them a good report. All this as it is so tough to get into medicine and this extra bonus (of their being a helpful human being) may go a long way in getting admission.

See, if one is actually a very kind person, then it is a different thing. But I have come across my fellow students who have no idea about any kindness whatsoever. They just love freaking out and don't even have maturity to know what medicine or kindness/empathy is all about. But they want to be a doctor.

If doctors were to earn lesser money in coming times, then no one would care to be kind to poor and sick. It's all for money and status after all. A time will come (or will it?) when this cycle breaks and people do not run after money

 

[SWSydneytutor]

It's a shame that most, if not all students who want to be a doctor, are infact simply lured by high income and prestige. But they show to their school authorities just the opposite, that they want to serve the comminuty.

In school, they pretend they are compassionate, caring and very helpful towards thier fellow students and overall community. They use all tactics to become students leaders and pretend to be very helpful just to get a vote...simply to have their school give them a good report. All this as it is so tough to get into medicine and this extra bonus (of their being a helpful human being) may go a long way in getting admission.

See, if one is actually a very kind person, then it is a different thing. But I have come across my fellow students who have no idea about any kindness whatsoever. They just love freaking out and don't even have maturity to know what medicine or kindness/empathy is all about. But they want to be a doctor.

If doctors were to earn lesser money in coming times, then no one would care to be kind to poor and sick. It's all for money and status after all. A time will come (or will it?) when this cycle breaks and people do not run after money

While your concerns are very valid, please do not generalise - not all medical students are in it for the money or the prestige. In fact, most medical students don't earn very much just after they graduate and don't earn the big bucks until after they specialise, which takes about eleven to fifteen years of solid education. A lot of hard work and perseverance.

I know many doctors and medical students who enter the profession because they would like to, first and foremost, be challenged and contribute to their community. A doctor I know said that he'd willingly sacrifice half his salary to have better working conditions, just to show you that there are some gems out there that should not be victimised by your generalisations, that they are just in it to have a high income and prestige. Just because some prospective doctors may express concern over the salary does not mean that this is their primary reason for pursuing a career in medicine; we are all human beings and yes, financial considerations should be made by all. Being a doctor is a job - yes it's quite an altruistic one but it is a job and I think that it is grossly unfair to target medical students who will spend up to two decades in order to become a doctor. And all this for a high income and prestige? Has it ever crossed your mind that some people might like to have a job with some substance?

Also, you might want to note that medical schools do not review references from the school - their only opportunity to grasp who you are as a person is at the interview, where it is up to you whether you wish to promote yourself or not. In fact I would even hazard to suggest that your interview performance does not hinge on how many things you've done (in which case your extra-curriculars at school would help) but rather, your personality.

If it's any consolation to you, those doing medical studies for prestige and high income (and there are a fair few) will ultimately realise that they made a mistake and find themselves having spent years doing something they never really had a passion for. However I don't think your assumptions are fair, at all. If you're going to target medical students based on this, then you should target the commerce law students who are obviously in it for the money that will come when they enter a giant banking firm like Morgan Stanley.

 

[RogueAcademic]

While your concerns are very valid, please do not generalise - not all medical students are in it for the money or the prestige.

A vast majority of them do.

In fact, most medical students don't earn very much just after they graduate and don't earn the big bucks until after they specialise, which takes about eleven to fifteen years of solid education

It would be arrogant to claim that medical graduates “don’t earn very much” when medical graduate salaries are clearly and significantly above the Australian average wage. There are far worse graduate salaries out there. Speaking of 'big bucks', are you saying that medical graduates only consider their salary as "big bucks" only when they're receiving the average medical specialist remuneration? Do they consider themselves earning unsatisfactorily "not very much" up to that point?

I there are some gems out there that should not be victimised by your generalisations

Yes there are gems out there. They’re gems because they are far and few between.

Being a doctor is a job - yes it's quite an altruistic one

It’s hypocritical to speak of altruism when you were just talking about a graduate salary of $50-$65k being not very much.

altruism |ˌaltrʊɪz(ə)m|
noun
the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others​

The medical profession is full of cases of self-serving behaviour, back-stabbing politics, and status-driven arrogance.

If it's any consolation to you, those doing medical studies for prestige and high income (and there are a fair few) will ultimately realise that they made a mistake and find themselves having spent years doing something they never really had a passion for.

It's not a genuine consolation when they're kicking back with their 6 figure salary while they're lamenting about their career choices...

However I don't think your assumptions are fair, at all. If you're going to target medical students based on this, then you should target the commerce law students who are obviously in it for the money that will come when they enter a giant banking firm like Morgan Stanley.

You’re missing the point – the com law students are at least honest about their pursuits. They’re not doing it in the guise of “altruism” while receiving a range of (at the very least) above the Australian average wage to the highly obscene 6 or 7 figure salaries.

 

[Bacilli]

I'll tell you what's worse than choosing medicine for money, your parents forcing you to do it. "I want the best for daughter, Ching Wah" really pisses me off.

Do your parents pressure you to do long term things that you don't want to do? Not like mowing the lawn, but for example doing the HSC at a particular school? Fuck I hate those soccer mums who're grotesque in apparence mainly due to the fact that they indulge in chocolate coated peanuts and 346 latino coffees whateva the fk they are. Wheneva I attend the mbbs open days it appears the asian mthr n fthr drag the child to the course sections, which when completed, offer good money. What we end is a health system where these arsehole Drs, because of their arsehole parents, don't give a flying fk about the patients. Nepean Hospital is an example of dreadful staff who deserve the death penalty. Go to nepean hospital complaining of chest pain, you will wait 13 hours only to be seen by a fkn maggot doc who can't speak nor understand English properly. So you leave angry, see your physician the next day and say, I had chest pain but I didn't stay at the hospital because the doc blames drinking too much water for an irregular heart beat, and the nurses don't speak to people with respect. What the do u want me to do? Go back? Fk u

/rant

The health system is dying but don't worry kids, bacilli will save it.