Teachers in Texas given green light to carry guns in classrooms (1 Viewer)

[nerdasdasd]

TEACHERS have been given permission to carry guns in the classroom in the US state of Texas.
The Levelland Independent School District (ISD) board this morning voted in favour of arming teachers "after extensive research and a series of meetings" ISD Superintendant Kelly Baggett told America's ABC News.
The decision was a direct response to the mass shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.
"How do you describe a tragedy like that? It's devastating," Mr Baggett told ABC News.
"It absolutely instilled fear in all of us and made us take a hard look at where we are with our safety and security."
Under the new policy, teachers would first need to obtain a concealed-handgun license and pass a gun-training course.
Details relating to the training course were not disclosed but the Texas State Legislature is considering establishing standards for firearms training for public school employees.
"Not every teacher in Levelland is going to carry a gun to campus," Mr Baggett said. "It will be certain individuals that I and the school approve. The training is paramount. It's absolutely the most important thing.".

While the law currently does not allow handguns on public school property, a legal loophole exists that enables school boards to authorise concealed handguns with the blessing of a school attorney.
The Levelland ISD comprises 3,000 students and 485 staff members across eight campuses. The plan was to arm two employees per campus.
"For the most part, we are getting very, very nice compliments and encouragement and positive remarks from our community members and they are applauding us for taking a stand and doing what we are doing," Mr Baggett said.
But he conceded it was "a shame" teachers had to be armed at all.
"I have reservations about putting weapons in employees' hands," he said.
"We are trained educators and it's a shame that it's gotten to the point in society that we are having to arm our school employees to protect their kids. But my philosophy is I want to do everything I can to protect our kids."


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[WeaselPowa]

It really is a "shame" that teachers need to be armed with handguns.
About goddamn time though

 

[nerdasdasd]

It really is a "shame" that teachers need to be armed with handguns.
About goddamn time though

Haha, it is not the solution....

 

[WeaselPowa]

Haha, it is not the solution....

There is no solution to this. How would you know which individual decides to go on a killing spree?. And you can't ban guns either otherwise no one would be able to protect themselves.

 

[nerdasdasd]

There is no solution to this. How would you know which individual decides to go on a killing spree?. And you can't ban guns either otherwise no one would be able to protect themselves.

True...

 

[funkshen]

i can just see it now

'student kills texas teacher, takes gun, goes on killing spree'

 

[Capt Rifle]

Now they will all do their homework.

 

[LithiumAus]

Personally, i believe that more guns are not the answer. Two wrongs don't make a right... The common American belief that guns are the only way to protect themselves comes with many flaws.

The biggest flaw i can see is: What if a perfectly sane person, armed to the teeth with assault rifles, shotguns, etc. loses their mental health, and snaps. Someone that was using those guns for their own 'protection' is now using them to kill himself/herself and possibly other people. Or even if the person got really drugged up, or very drunk, then guns are a liability to people's safety.

The next thing is the more guns you bring into a community, then the easier you make it for bad people to get them, therefore happily giving them guns, which is hypocritical to the "guns for everyone" argument. Once you arm them, you then have the bad people who know how to use the guns, and modify them to make them more deadly, versus the civilians, who never use guns and when confronted with this type of situation, will probably not be able to kill the bad people anyway.

Lastly: Anarchists, neo-Nazis, Terrorists. I can't even begin to imagine what would happen if full-on anarchists decided to take it a step further, and start killing all who stand in their way. Anarchists are stupid, because you can not have a society without laws, and you can't really have laws unless you have people to enforce them. I've seen videos of anarchists shooting police, and it really isn't a nice thing to see. Neo-Nazis. Like the anarchists, neo-Nazis with guns are not good, yet giving them the freedom of easy-access weaponry is supported by the 'libertarians'. Have you ever seen a neo-Nazi kill someone of a specific racial group in cold blood? I've been on the darker side of the internet, and i've seen videos where Russian 'skinhead' neo-Nazis execute innocent people, through sword and gun. And Terrorists. Nothing much needs to be said on them, but giving them guns gives them an easier way of creating fear and sheer terror in peaceful and quiet communities.

You can't just put more guns into a system and expect a good result. The less guns in the public domain, the better. I'm happy with cops being the only one with weapons, rather a cop than a massacre waiting to happen. And putting guns in schools?! The people who made that decision are out of their minds.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

- Alex.

 

[Kiraken]

wat if the teacher gets pissed with a student and does something stupid lol

 

[Tasteless]

Personally, i believe that more guns are not the answer. Two wrongs don't make a right... The common American belief that guns are the only way to protect themselves comes with many flaws.

The biggest flaw i can see is: What if a perfectly sane person, armed to the teeth with assault rifles, shotguns, etc. loses their mental health, and snaps. Someone that was using those guns for their own 'protection' is now using them to kill himself/herself and possibly other people. Or even if the person got really drugged up, or very drunk, then guns are a liability to people's safety.

The next thing is the more guns you bring into a community, then the easier you make it for bad people to get them, therefore happily giving them guns, which is hypocritical to the "guns for everyone" argument. Once you arm them, you then have the bad people who know how to use the guns, and modify them to make them more deadly, versus the civilians, who never use guns and when confronted with this type of situation, will probably not be able to kill the bad people anyway.

Lastly: Anarchists, neo-Nazis, Terrorists. I can't even begin to imagine what would happen if full-on anarchists decided to take it a step further, and start killing all who stand in their way. Anarchists are stupid, because you can not have a society without laws, and you can't really have laws unless you have people to enforce them. I've seen videos of anarchists shooting police, and it really isn't a nice thing to see. Neo-Nazis. Like the anarchists, neo-Nazis with guns are not good, yet giving them the freedom of easy-access weaponry is supported by the 'libertarians'. Have you ever seen a neo-Nazi kill someone of a specific racial group in cold blood? I've been on the darker side of the internet, and i've seen videos where Russian 'skinhead' neo-Nazis execute innocent people, through sword and gun. And Terrorists. Nothing much needs to be said on them, but giving them guns gives them an easier way of creating fear and sheer terror in peaceful and quiet communities.

You can't just put more guns into a system and expect a good result. The less guns in the public domain, the better. I'm happy with cops being the only one with weapons, rather a cop than a massacre waiting to happen. And putting guns in schools?! The people who made that decision are out of their minds.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

- Alex.

lmao

 

[WeaselPowa]

Personally, i believe that more guns are not the answer. Two wrongs don't make a right... The common American belief that guns are the only way to protect themselves comes with many flaws.

The biggest flaw i can see is: What if a perfectly sane person, armed to the teeth with assault rifles, shotguns, etc. loses their mental health, and snaps. Someone that was using those guns for their own 'protection' is now using them to kill himself/herself and possibly other people. Or even if the person got really drugged up, or very drunk, then guns are a liability to people's safety.

The next thing is the more guns you bring into a community, then the easier you make it for bad people to get them, therefore happily giving them guns, which is hypocritical to the "guns for everyone" argument. Once you arm them, you then have the bad people who know how to use the guns, and modify them to make them more deadly, versus the civilians, who never use guns and when confronted with this type of situation, will probably not be able to kill the bad people anyway.

Lastly: Anarchists, neo-Nazis, Terrorists. I can't even begin to imagine what would happen if full-on anarchists decided to take it a step further, and start killing all who stand in their way. Anarchists are stupid, because you can not have a society without laws, and you can't really have laws unless you have people to enforce them. I've seen videos of anarchists shooting police, and it really isn't a nice thing to see. Neo-Nazis. Like the anarchists, neo-Nazis with guns are not good, yet giving them the freedom of easy-access weaponry is supported by the 'libertarians'. Have you ever seen a neo-Nazi kill someone of a specific racial group in cold blood? I've been on the darker side of the internet, and i've seen videos where Russian 'skinhead' neo-Nazis execute innocent people, through sword and gun. And Terrorists. Nothing much needs to be said on them, but giving them guns gives them an easier way of creating fear and sheer terror in peaceful and quiet communities.

You can't just put more guns into a system and expect a good result. The less guns in the public domain, the better. I'm happy with cops being the only one with weapons, rather a cop than a massacre waiting to happen. And putting guns in schools?! The people who made that decision are out of their minds.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

- Alex.

Well your opinion is stupid. Guns will always be around whether you like it or not.

 

[LithiumAus]

Only because people let them be around, voting for more guns is obviously not a step in the right direction.

 

[nifkeh]

Well your opinion is stupid. Guns will always be around whether you like it or not.

but you can prevent lives from being lost just due to a gun. Anyone could just wrestle a gun from a teacher, and there they got a free gun to use, a massive safety hazard for everyone there as is in unknown hands now

 

[louielouiee]

'Murica.

 

[WeaselPowa]

but you can prevent lives from being lost just due to a gun. Anyone could just wrestle a gun from a teacher, and there they got a free gun to use, a massive safety hazard for everyone there as is in unknown hands now

Vice-versa. Also, these teachers that are equipped with guns need to be qualified.

 

[LithiumAus]

Yeah, you're talking about giving weapons training on a national scale.. And not everyone is going to pass. And how do you argue against quick-hitting mental illnesses/problems? Someone could easily lose their mind before anyone could start doing anything about it. If you did still allow it, why not enforce mandatory psychological checkups for gun owners? If safety is a common goal, adding more guns to the community SAFELY is probably going to be the far more expensive and risky option. And once again, giving a teacher a gun? You must be insane. What happens when the teacher has had enough of one particular class?

- Alex.

 

[Tasteless]

Yeah, you're talking about giving weapons training on a national scale..

Who said anything about national scale, this is Texas and Texas is a state?

And not everyone is going to pass.

So then they don't carry a firearm, as the logical consequence would imply.

And how do you argue against quick-hitting mental illnesses/problems? Someone could easily lose their mind before anyone could start doing anything about it.

lol, I think you relish living in fear

If you did still allow it, why not enforce mandatory psychological checkups for gun owners?

Sure, but any psychos in the making would just lie to make themselves appear to be fine.

If safety is a common goal, adding more guns to the community SAFELY is probably going to be the far more expensive and risky option.

Id probably agree only

And once again, giving a teacher a gun? You must be insane. What happens when the teacher has had enough of one particular class?

renders me incapable of taking anything you say seriously.

 

[WeaselPowa]

Yeah, you're talking about giving weapons training on a national scale.. And not everyone is going to pass. And how do you argue against quick-hitting mental illnesses/problems? Someone could easily lose their mind before anyone could start doing anything about it. If you did still allow it, why not enforce mandatory psychological checkups for gun owners? If safety is a common goal, adding more guns to the community SAFELY is probably going to be the far more expensive and risky option. And once again, giving a teacher a gun? You must be insane. What happens when the teacher has had enough of one particular class?

- Alex.

Look, I understand where you're coming from, but the chances of these things even remotely happening is miniscule. Yes, teachers may just snap, but there have not yet been any historical cases of teachers deciding to go on a rampage with a gun they may have snuck in. However, there have been historical cases of students going on a rampage.

I guess the only thing we can do is wait and see. Will teachers save students? Will teacher kill students? Because regardless, some kind of killing will occur soon ):

 

[pony_magician]

How would you know which individual decides to go on a killing spree?. And you can't ban guns either otherwise no one would be able to protect themselves.

yeah man including the teachers and students themselves

the simple matter of fact is that there is no one instant solution to solving gun crime in the states. removing guns entirely would have a better effect than arming more and more people.

 

[WeaselPowa]

yeah man including the teachers and students themselves

the simple matter of fact is that there is no one instant solution to solving gun crime in the states. removing guns entirely would have a better effect than arming more and more people.

So you're saying removing guns entirely will have a better effect then arming more people?

You're completely correct. But the thing is, it is not a good idea to do both, nor is it a good idea to leave things as it is.

Think about it, if you remove guns entirely, imagine the catastrophe. And how would you do it anyway? People know how to hide things.