The Australians Against Further Immigration Party (2 Viewers)

[Josie]

Hah, town planning in Wollongong is an ABSOLUTE shambles at the moment. I'm working with my Dad on a job which is currently stalled in council because the town planner doesn't seem to know what her job description is.

But yes, moving jobs and infrastructure to W'Gong/Newcastle would be a great idea. Also means less people who already live here would have to actually commute to Sydney for work, yay!

 

[HotShot]

If the governments actually put money into developing land/cities outside of Sydney for example like Wollongong or Newcastle then Sydney wouldn't be so overcrowded.

It is completely possible for them to put money into those two cities, attract more companies and then build them up. It would take town planning, more infrastructure but fuck it's easier to start over then attempt to fix what Sydney now is.

There is plenty of room along the coastline of Australia for more cities to pop up, however there is currently nothing being done about that. Stop fixing Sydney because it's not going to happen and look elsewhere.

if NSW can wake up and fix the basic infrastructure then it will be awesome. But at the moment only think driving immigration in Australia is the image that we have. But.. once they get here, there like wtf is this shithole? unless they are refugess or come from some place similar.

But Australia is lagging behind the rest of the world, and NSW being pretty much Australia fuck VICtoria. We need to improve our economy and transport and everythign basically.

 

[Pilgrim]

Everything needs to fucking improve, but no government is or ever will be up to the job.

 

[bshoc]

in australia's mixed market economy that will never happen, becuase everything is sold to the highest bidder, and if that highest bidder happens to be an immigrant, then too bad.

Actually that would be the lowest bidder .... socialists *sigh*

 

[Sparcod]

Indeed, Sydney is a bit too overcrowed and it surely has its problems regarding transport, the environment and its roads and so on.

 

[Gurlpower]

without reading the first pages i will say, if we lockdown the country (with a few exceptions)

we are effectively shielding ourselves from

ethnic tensions
water scarcity
infectious diseases
cultural clashes
and save a few quid in the process.

makes sense to me

 

[iamsickofyear12]

We would also be shielding ourselves from:

Economic growth
Cultral diversity
Workers with vital skills

It's obvious that we need immigration for our economy. Thats why under John Howard, despite some of his racist remarks, he has had the good sense to actually boost immigration to their highest levels in Australia history. It is one of the reasons the economy is booming. Ceasing immigration is so moronic none of the major parties will entertain the idea. Australians Against Further Immigration is basically a small minority of racist nutters who have no understading of this country's economic and social needs.

A lot of the immigration we allow we don't need for our economy. Not all cultural diversity is good. Some cultures just don't go together. While we import workers with vital skills we have Australians who are unemployed. Some immigration causes more problems that it solves.

Completely stopping it isn't such a good idea but restricting it is certainly beneficial.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

No it isn't. Look at how low unemployment is. The people that are unemployed are mostly lazy or structurally unemployed people who are looking for work. Ignorant anti immigration people believe immigrants compete with us for a fixed pool of jobs, when in reality they create a demands for more goods and services and thus more jobs which ultimately boosts the economy.

Not only do we need skilled workers but we need unskilled workers. Without a greater pool of labor Australia will be unable to fully exploit its potential, particularly in the booming resources sector. Ignorant fucks have been calling for restrictions to immigration since it took off in Australia after WW2. Without it we would not enjoy the economic prosperity we have today. Fortunately governments have been sensible enough not to listen to people like you and Australians Against Further Immigration.

There are still people who want a job but can't get it. There are examples of it constantly. To a certain extent they are competing for a fixed pool of jobs. Not all immigrants create demand.

I didn't say we should completely stop it. I said it should be restricted. And you are ignoring all the problems associated with immigration. You can't just focus on the benefits.

 

[BritneySpears]

Racist immigrants have problems with Australian and thats their fault.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

They are unemployed because they are lazy, useless fucks.

What problems. Racial tension and stuff? Thats not the immigrants fault if racists Australians have a problem with them.

Not everyone.

It is their fault when have a problem with Australians and Australian values.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Yeah some do. Some immigrants are fuckwits, some Aussies are fuckwits. What can you do.

The point is overall most people (regardless of where they come from) are normal people that want to accept our values and work hard. By boosting immigration overall we make our country economically stronger. Horay.

By restricting immigrations we still have economic growth because we are letting in the beneficial immigrants but avoid all the problems associated with the ones who do nothing but cause problems.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Well if you mean "restricting" as in screening them better and restricting certain types of immigrants who offer little or no skills then yes I agree. But if you mean restricting as in significantly reducing the total intake then no. But that's not what AAFI want to do, they basically want to stop all further immigration. Seriously these guys are a bunch of redneck nutjobs.

Obviously by rejecting more people we are going to end up with less immigration.

 

[lexie85]

Not everyone.

It is their fault when have a problem with Australians and Australian values.

but they become australians too

more like the racist aussies have a problem with them aka cronulla riot bogans

but as someone else said, theres going to be a few idiots on each side

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Not really. There are so many people that want to come here. Its just about being selective and carefull.

I think my restrictions would be somewhat tougher than yours.

but they become australians too

more like the racist aussies have a problem with them aka cronulla riot bogans

but as someone else said, theres going to be a few idiots on each side

It works both ways... There is no doubt that some Australians can be racist but too many people come here with completely the wrong intentions. Not all that long ago a certain muslim group was suggesting that we implement sharia law... someone who seriously thinks that should not be here.

I think you picked a bad example with the Cronulla riot. Though they clearly didn't go about it the right way the motivation behind the Cronulla riot was completely justified. If you had any idea to the extend that certain middle eastern youths cause trouble and then get nothing but a slap on the wrist you would be pissed off too. Even after that the only thing that was changed were new laws in relation to rioting, the original problem was completely ignored. It's not racism, it's being pissed off that people who's parents moved here don't even consider themselves Australian and are more interested in causing trouble than anything else.

 

[*Minka*]

I am an Immigrant. I am Australian.

Anyone who tells me otherwise can STFU.

 

[tommykins]

Let's not forget, that there's a shitload of Australian-born people who are homeless + living off welfare.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

I am an Immigrant. I am Australian.

Anyone who tells me otherwise can STFU.

You may be like that but other immigrants are more like.....

I am an Immigrant. I am (insert country of origin name here).

...but although I don't consider myself Australian I still demand all he benefits of living here.... now where is my welfare?

 

[jessal]

I think you picked a bad example with the Cronulla riot. Though they clearly didn't go about it the right way the motivation behind the Cronulla riot was completely justified. If you had any idea to the extend that certain middle eastern youths cause trouble and then get nothing but a slap on the wrist you would be pissed off too. Even after that the only thing that was changed were new laws in relation to rioting, the original problem was completely ignored. It's not racism, it's being pissed off that people who's parents moved here don't even consider themselves Australian and are more interested in causing trouble than anything else.

no. i think it was more like -"hey! lets make some 'middles eastern youths' feel completely unwelcome . and why not bash a few at the same time"
no words can ever justify the 'motivation' behind the cronulla riots. the fact that people showed up, wether they were of middle eastern background or were 'pure' aussies, completely aware that it would be a violent gathering is just disgusting. nothing justifies racism.ever

 

[iamsickofyear12]

no. i think it was more like -"hey! lets make some 'middles eastern youths' feel completely unwelcome . and why not bash a few at the same time"
no words can ever justify the 'motivation' behind the cronulla riots. the fact that people showed up, wether they were of middle eastern background or were 'pure' aussies, completely aware that it would be a violent gathering is just disgusting. nothing justifies racism.ever

These middle eastern youths go around committing crimes and generally causing trouble, and the police can do nothing to stop them. When they do arrest them the courts just give them a slap on the wrist and are back doing it the next day.

So in your opinion to solve this problem people should do nothing because racism is bad? People were pissed off because no matter what they did nothing was fixed... what happened at Cronulla was building for a long time, and even after a riot more changes were made in relation to rioting and police powers to control crowds than were made to fix the original problem.

Do we ignore the truth and allow these middle eastern youths to continue for the sake of not being racist? If a riot doesn't change things how exactly does your 'do nothing' plan work?

 

[jessal]

These middle eastern youths go around committing crimes and generally causing trouble, and the police can do nothing to stop them. When they do arrest them the courts just give them a slap on the wrist and are back doing it the next day.

So in your opinion to solve this problem people should do nothing because racism is bad? People were pissed off because no matter what they did nothing was fixed... what happened at Cronulla was building for a long time, and even after a riot more changes were made in relation to rioting and police powers to control crowds than were made to fix the original problem.

Do we ignore the truth and allow these middle eastern youths to continue for the sake of not being racist? If a riot doesn't change things how exactly does your 'do nothing' plan work?

first of all, the riot fixed nothing. and my 'do nothing' plan would have resulted into nothing, whereas the riot only cause more harm.
what i suggest is that trouble makers are punished, middle eastern youths and australians AND any one else for that matter alike.
the cronulla riots were the result of a large group of racists deciding that they no longer wanted these middle eastern youths around.there were locals attacked that day and it most deffinately was no because they thought they were commiting crimes.
oh and suprise suprise, not every middle eastern youth is a criminal.
dickheads are dickheads, no matter their race. the idea that eliminating these middle eastern youths will result in a perfect society is wrong and completely beyond me.