What do you consider as being important? (1 Viewer)

[Generator]

Just a general thread. Given the apparent interest in Corby as opposed to the IR reforms and the Immigration Department's woes (both, arguably, of more than passing importance to us all), I was wondering what you consider as being important?

 

[Generator]

That and making sure that we don't apologise as a country so that nobody can claim my land under native title, too.

Edit: Go the economy! In my mind, economic prosperity is more a vice than a virtue in this case. Money counts for little if the safeguards that have, in the past, ensured that we are all protected somewhat count for little if the government/s of the day is/are forever 'reforming' the system. That these reforms seem to favour one group, and one ideal, rather than us all is also annoying.

I do realise that these reforms may benefit all in particular net terms, but there is much more to life than economic measures suggest.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

I'm in a pretty good position right now so all I really care about is enjoying myself. When something happens that actually concerns me I might care.

 

[frog12986]

'Interest rates and whether I can afford stuff' - says the average apathetic Australian!

1996 to current has to be the 'Greed is good part 2 ' and 'me first get the fuck out of my way'. No one cares one little bit about anyone else but themselves. Unless the media says so.

I really do think Australia has been turnt into a money hungry immoral wastebasket of people who are slaves to the media. More concerned about whether they can get that latest comsumer goody than in any notions of justice or fairness.

Most of Australia is nothing more than mindless drones. Slaves to the lastest cool consumer good.

Economic liberty has taken the front seat and kicked social liberty and redefined it as 'me first fuck you'...

That is an extremely libertarian viewpoint....

I thought that if you were such an avowed supporter of civil rights and human liberties then such slander and 'categorisation' of the average Australian would have been perceived to be 'unjust' or 'unfair'.....

'Mindless Drones'?..I'm quite sure that such comments really emphasise your compassion towards the fairness and justice that each Australian receives...

 

[frog12986]

My point isn't really whether or not people are or are not 'mindless drones', but rather the hypocrisy of your efforts to promote liberties and rights, whilst at the same time demeaning the 'average Australian' by categorising them in such a way...

There may very well be many mindless drones out there, but the fact is that I would have thought that you as such an advocate of rights and freedoms etc would have taken a more 'fair' and less categorical approach...

So as a 'Snivel Libertarian' I presumed that your compassion and empathy would have been greater, without the debasing attitude towards such a large proportion of the country....

 

[Riewe]

I deem having a stable lifestyle is important for me. Whether that be stable income, stable home, job, education, entertainment etc, as that is what i like.

And being slaves to the media, EVERYONE is a slave to the media, in that everyone gets their info from the media in one form or another, because the average Australian doesn't have the resources and just plain can't be bothered to do go on continual case studies across the world and do in-depth investigations themselves on every aspect of society.

Greed is definitely good, and i hope it continues that way no matter how much the Liberal left try to change it. That is the only way society progresses, if there are those out there that want something more than what they have got already. That is the history of the world and i'll be damned if it is going to stop.

 

[LaraB]

Both are equally important ithihnk but if you're not the kinda person who cares about the greater picture and is worried more about yourself and your family and friends and direct ijnfluences on your life the IR issues and the like are more important.. which is fair enough

i think Corby's case is important more for the principles and issues it raises, not because an aussie is gonna be in an indonesian jail as such.. in ther words, its not important cause she was foun guilty, its important because it showed how little the aus gov can do in situations like that and why you shouldn't go into countries with screwy legal systems like that unless you're 1000% aware of what may happen

i mean..most people don't care about all the other aussies in jail who have been proven not guilty in thailand or italy or even guantanemo..amazing how the attention paid to david hicks vanished when other 'more important' cases arose...

its kind of funny how most poeople only really care about themselves and how laws will affect them but are sooooo concerned by asome woman in bali who they don't know being jailed when for all we know she was actually guilty...

The IR thing's more important to me ultimately though coz i was looking at going into that area wheni graduate so yeah..if they start messing around with the processes even more there may not be any decent jobs for me by the time i graduate

 

[frog12986]

I don't think you get it...

 

[LadyBec]

well personally I care about having enough money to finish uni, cos otherwise whats the fucking point in studying? and ovbiously I want a job too.
Enough money so that one day I can have a car and a little house.
Plus If i do lose my mind completly, i'd rather it is the government didnt acidently lock me up or deport me.
If I do manage to get a job (and pleaselord let it be soon) i'd like to ahve some kind of protection against unfair dismissial and a nice minum wage.
I want to know that everyone is equal under the law, and that if, i am charged with something I get a free unbiased trial.
I dont want very much money, or anything like that. i want to be reated the same as everyone else, and have my rights as a human being respected.

 

[loquasagacious]

Well iamsickofyear12 emerges yet again as an example of the sorry state of Australia and frog's obstinate refusal to think almost gives Asqy a heart attack.... just another day in NCAP.

I care about the freedom of people from discimination and coercion to be guaranteed through adequate representation under our democratic system and adequate protection in our courts. I care about economic freedom and social equality.

I believe that Australia has moved tpwared greater economic freedom at the expense of social equality.

 

[LaraB]

I believe that Australia has moved tpwared greater economic freedom at the expense of social equality.

good point... sadly though with globalisation and the current state of 'terrorism' and everything i doubt there's any other real optin an dits probably just going to get worse....

hooray for capitalism lol

 

[White Rabbit]

IR Reforms - taking Industrial Relations away from state government and giving them to the Federal Govt' will ruin many industries and fields. In nursing, we can forget any further pay rises, can expect the gradual dismantiling of the NSW Nurses Federation and watch all penalties disapear. In a time when there is such a shortage of Nurses within NSW, these reforms could not have come at a worse time. I think one of the worst things that could happen to this country's workforce is the loss of trade unions, which is what Howards after. Get everyone away from a centralised system and on an individual one - AWA's, Unions loosing power, control of IR going Federal.

Bloody liberals....

 

[walrusbear]

the country seems to have skewed into a weird perspective where we feed our society to the economy, as opposed to the economy helping society

the country would appear to have a hugely stunted social perspective. this board is highly representative of that.
most established posters here will have no argument outside rigid economic rationalism
i reckon it's kinda sad, but what are you going to do?

 

[jumb]

Just a general thread. Given the apparent interest in Corby as opposed to the IR reforms and the Immigration Department's woes (both, arguably, of more than passing importance to us all), I was wondering what you consider as being important?

Whatever they show on A Current Affair and Today Tonight is what I find important.

 

[leetom]

The average Australian does not understand the economy. They do not understand how it works, how it is managed and how it is used to a nation's benefit. Yet it is important to them, because the Liberal Party tells them it is important.

The Liberal Party abuses the average Asutralian's inability to understand the economy. The Liberal Party realises that, while the average Australian cannot understand the economy, the average Australian believes that interest rates are important- especially if you tell them so over and over again. The only reason the average Australian considers interest rates important is because their alteration will affect their individual wealth, and the average Australia's inherent individualism will always come first.

The Liberal Party has constructed an idea that to maintain a strong economy, social benefits must be fofeited. The Liberal Party has put forward to the unthinking masses a simple, easily interpreted equation:

Libs give Aus good economy, which means low interest rates, which means MORE MONEY 4 YOU!!!., keep economy strong by voting Lib! Those Labor people will ruin it with their socialism!!!

At least, that is my observation.

 

[LaraB]

The average Australian does not understand the economy. They do not understand how it works, how it is managed and how it is used to a nation's benefit. Yet it is important to them, because the Liberal Party tells them it is important.

The Liberal Party abuses the average Asutralian's inability to understand the economy. The Liberal Party realises that, while the average Australian cannot understand the economy, the average Australian believes that interest rates are important- especially if you tell them so over and over again. The only reason the average Australian considers interest rates important is because their alteration will affect their individual wealth, and the average Australia's inherent individualism will always come first.

The Liberal Party has constructed an idea that to maintain a strong economy, social benefits must be fofeited. The Liberal Party has put forward to the unthinking masses a simple, easily interpreted equation:

Libs give Aus good economy, which means low interest rates, which means MORE MONEY 4 YOU!!!., keep economy strong by voting Lib! Those Labor people will ruin it with their socialism!!!

At least, that is my observation.

well said

i think that kind of mentality is also shown in response to tax cuts...

everyones angry at Beasley for wanting to 'block' the tax cuts... never mind that he isn't blocking them, he's trying to further improve on them by giving lower brackets a proportianate amount to what higher brackets are getting...

i think a lot of peopole just thing "ooh yay! i'm getting money back that i didn't get back under the other parties" but ignore the fact that its totally out of proportion and that the cost of living has increased enormousy the last few decades... i cant remember the exact figures but i remember it didn't increase proportionate to income rather exponentially... the money is so insignificant for most i really don 't understand why people are so happy about it..

i now that my family, both parents working, 5 kids, the money's not really gonna do anything... probably pay for mum's petrol to work for a few weeks and that's bout it

i personally resent the way that people say "well yes but the lower and higher classes have to work harder to get there" as in those who are rich have to work their asses of to be rich and those that are poor have to work their asses off to survive..

im not saying they dont coz a lot do but everyone totally ignores the average middle class person who arguably works as hard, if not harder for less reward....

i think its sad in a way how little understandiing people have of how the peopel running the country work and why they do the things they do because that's why they keep getting voted in over anr over... i mean parties in general too nt just liberals coz they all have their good and bad points

 

[walrusbear]

As opposed to the elitist university student who is just so enlightened? How long did it take you and all your "intellectual" socialist buddies to come up with that?


The media spends most of its time bagging the Liberal Government and its associated economic liberty. The majority of ["apathetic"] Australians couldn't be media slaves. Furthermore, if you could get into the media and say that exact quote, you'd be applauded and given awards for it.


Ok Mr. Law student, why don't you tell us apathetic, un-academic/intellectual ignorant capitalist pigs a few of your wonderful notions of justice/fairness that we should be adhering to? Extra points if they're not directly quoted from communist literature.



To: Asquithian

From: Most of Australia

Re: Us being mindless Drones

Dear Asquithian

We think you're a mindless drone too. Please get your head out of your Marxist university buddies' asses and try to come up with something vaguely original.

Furthermore, if you're unhappy with the system that the majority of us have elected, please move to a communist country such as North Korea. Then you will know what a lack of social liberty really is.

Yours sincerely

The average apathetic Australian.

PS. Can we please have some tips as to how to be enlightened, socially liberated free thinkers like yourself? We'd just love to know.

the old communist/socialist tag
what a clever way to bring down intellectualism

 

[Newbie]

i care about when i get my next paypacket and how much it will be
that and why star trek cant explain all the mysteries of the universe in one super episode

 

[ur_inner_child]

how do you do it asqy baby

fight the same arguments over and over

what a battler

i'd rep you forever <3

 

[Rafy]

lmao asq is no communist :-|