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Abbott: Leader of the Opposition? Prime Minister? (1 Viewer)

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Annabel Crabb in smh said:
The launch of Battlelines at The Wharf restaurant formalises People Skills’s unofficial revival campaign, in which the shadow family and community affairs minister emerges from an 18-month funk after the 2007 election loss.

Abbott has been reborn stronger and fitter, with a few surprising new functions: a strong belief in paid maternity leave, for instance, and an admiration for Malcolm Turnbull, which he expresses at every opportunity.
Miranda Devine in smh said:
The launch of Tony Abbott’s book, Battlelines, at the Wharf restaurant, under the Harbour Bridge, came on the very day that Malcolm Turnbull recorded his worst Newspoll rating as preferred prime minister – 16 per cent to Kevin Rudd’s 66 per cent.

To the gathered political junkies on Tuesday, it was a not-unexpected omen, with the book seen as Abbott’s first crack at remaking himself as a real contender for the Liberal leadership.

Abbott has never shown any sign of disliking the inference, though insisting it is not his "time", that he is Turnbull’s loyal "lieutenant", and that the book is "not a job application, because I expect the existing team will lead the party to the next election", which of course suits him perfectly well, given Rudd’s popularity. He has simply used the spare time of opposition to write a crisp 182-page part-memoir/part rallying cry, explaining Australian conservatism, his own beliefs and some of the experiences that have formed them.

Writing the book was also therapy after the dog days of the last election, serving to reinvigorate his desire to persist with his "vocation". But it also firmly badges him as the "Liberal Party’s intellectual", as Louise Adler, of Melbourne University Press, described him on Tuesday.

It is a real point of difference with the affable Joe Hockey, who shows up in opinion polls as more electable than Abbott, but could hardly be accused of deep thinking, and with Turnbull who, while also a good writer and former journalist, is too busy with the day-to-day drudgery as Opposition Leader to write a book, and may, in any case, be burdened by the lawyer’s preoccupation with detail over vision.

It has also given Abbott the chance to neutralise his reputation negatives, especially the "Captain Catholic" label he was given when, as health minister, he made the reasonable point that Australia’s abortion rate of up to 100,000 abortions every year was far too high.

So on Tuesday it was New Tony on the podium, not the Mad Monk, Captain Catholic or Howard’s head-kicker, and his choice to launch the book, Sarah Murdoch, model, TV presenter and wife of media scion Lachlan Murdoch, said it all.

This was no pugilist Tony, snarling at Nicola Roxon, discombobulated by Julia Gillard’s flirtatious steel. It was a softer, gentler version, praised and loved by women, with his devoted wife, Margie, and three willowy daughters further evidence of his female-friendly persona – a must in any election, since opinion polls show the Coalition is faring worse with female voters than with male.
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Turnbull didn’t seem threatened by Abbott, arriving full of bonhomie, as promised, at Lucio’s about 3pm. He just looked worn down by relentlessly bad opinion polls, even after a week spent on his farm at Scone, decompressing after the ravages of the so-called utegate affair.

Quite different in style, the two men are remarkably similar in outlook – both Catholic and intellectually able, they are driven by the idea of duty and politics as a vocation, and their competition serves the country well.

But the underdog often has the upper hand in civilised contests. And Turnbull may be better equipped for the nuts and bolts leadership that would have made him the best premier of NSW, as Senator Bill Heffernan tried to urge him to be.

After Turnbull and Abbott left the restaurant, those who stayed behind to drink dessert wine theorised that Turnbull’s demeanour showed he is not as ‘‘resilient’’ as Abbott and Howard, not as able to withstand the bouts of unpopularity that are an inevitable part of politics.

That may be wishful thinking, and perhaps the polls underestimate Turnbull’s rattling effect on the Prime Minister. Rudd has been known to gaze out from the veranda of Kirribilli House across the glittering harbour to Turnbull’s waterfront mansion in Point Piper, and wonder aloud if Turnbull is gazing back at him.
So if the musings of our political commentators are to be believed Abbott is postitioning himself for a leadership challenge at some point in the coming years. What do you think? Would Abbott make a good Opposition Leader? and more importantly could he win an election against Rudd? And perhaps would it be a good thing if he did?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/battlelines-drawn-early-for-mr-people-skills-20090728-e06h.html
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-remaking-of-the-mad-monk-20090729-e1ip.html
 
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He has the hardcore Catholic vote in the bag and I do like the man myself (although I don't agree with everything he says), but I don't think he has a chance in hell of being voted in as Prime Minister.

Joe Hockey, now there's another man altogether... *drool*
 

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Coming from a regularly staunch liberal: if Abbott became leader of the liberal party, I would support Labor.
 
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I don't really agree with some of Abbott's positions (for instance opposition to RU486) however I found him to be an impressive speaker in person and think he is intellectually impressive.

Don't really see him appealing to a broad enough cross-section of Australia though...
 

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He's clearly positioning himself. In the interviews around his book launch, he didnt shy away from claiming that he hopes to lead his party in government one day. I have no problem with this though, because if Turnbull implodes, which doesnt seem so unlikely anymore, they need a solid number two other than sloppy Joe.

He's smart, strong in leadership, firm in convictions and alive to the moral meaning. Would be the greatest PM
 

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He's clearly positioning himself. In the interviews around his book launch, he didnt shy away from claiming that he hopes to lead his party in government one day. I have no problem with this though, because if Turnbull implodes, which doesnt seem so unlikely anymore, they need a solid number two other than sloppy Joe.

He's smart, strong in leadership, firm in convictions and alive to the moral meaning. Would be the greatest PM
Oh that's cute. You left out people skills by the way.
 

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Oh? Have you spoken to him? Did he not come up to your standards Lentern?
He's utterly charming in person. Even if they dont agree with him, 90% of ANU students respect him a hell of a lot because he engages will us regularly, off the cuff, originally and intelligently - unlike any other politician
 

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Oh? Have you spoken to him? Did he not come up to your standards Lentern?
He's utterly charming in person. Even if they dont agree with him, 90% of ANU students respect him a hell of a lot because he engages will us regularly, off the cuff, originally and intelligently - unlike any other politician
Yes I know you asked him something about god he said it was bullshit with a charming grin then answered your other question seriously. He's energetic, he's allways up for an inerview, he can complain without sound rude or impetuous, but really the same can be said about big Joe and more. An Abbott leadership would be slightly more practical than a Latham and slightly less than a Hewson. "People skills" aren't enough.
 

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Ive seen him plenty of times. He has this awesome confidence and conviction. He'll start Q&As with, like, a challenge to stump a politician (which is all everyone is trying to do anyway).

If any one man could shake this country out of its apathy and make it engage with politics as a relevant and real pursuit for the good, it's him.
 

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Abbott is intellectually superior to most and strong in the personality stakes. Although I believe he would be a strong, convicted and decisive leader, I don't see him being able to elicit enough support beyond the conservative portion of society to ever be a realistic option.
 

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He has the hardcore Catholic vote in the bag and I do like the man myself (although I don't agree with everything he says), but I don't think he has a chance in hell of being voted in as Prime Minister.

Joe Hockey, now there's another man altogether... *drool*
Joe Hockey.... <3.
 

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Ive seen him plenty of times. He has this awesome confidence and conviction. He'll start Q&As with, like, a challenge to stump a politician (which is all everyone is trying to do anyway).

If any one man could shake this country out of its apathy and make it engage with politics as a relevant and real pursuit for the good, it's him.
True, I mean whats the point in running for prime minister if you don't really stand for something. Now where have I heard that before.
 

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It's obviously foolish to say that one conviction politician, from the opposite side of politics, who happened to implode, is the same as Abbott
 

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Abbott is intellectually superior to most and strong in the personality stakes. Although I believe he would be a strong, convicted and decisive leader, I don't see him being able to elicit enough support beyond the conservative portion of society to ever be a realistic option.
If hes such an intellectual why doesn't he believe in evolution?
 

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This "female friendly persona" must be something of a new development. At uni he was known to lurk outside women's meetings with his cronies and heckle abuse.

It is good that he believes in something yes, a lot more than you can say for Labor. In fact, a lot more than you can say about anyone in power in this country. Political power tends to mediate beliefs.

While now I alarmingly find myself warming to the bloke when he does interviews, i remember wanting to throw the remote control at the T.V. because of some of the comments he made during the Howard years (the actual years, not the show).
 

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It is possible for people to change.... and it's been a long time since his uni days... also heckling is all part of student politics... I'm sure some of the aspies on here/who have been on here know that...
 

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If hes such an intellectual why doesn't he believe in evolution?
That's where his conservative, religious position clouds his judgement and thus eliminates any possibility of him ever being a viable leadership option.
 

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