how to state rank? (2 Viewers)

[nerrrrd]

what hsc marks should I be aiming for if I want to state rank in bio (and maybe chem)?

 

[Epicman69]

Like no cap, 100% as well being first in your school

 

[icycledough]

Well, just to give you some numbers

Biology --> around 19,000 students for 2020 HSC; around 1300 Band 6s (so very competitive for Band 6)
Chemistry --> around 10,000 students for 2020 HSC; around 1300 Band 6s (bit easier, but still competitive)

So it's fair to say even getting a Band 6, let alone a state rank is extremely difficult. But essentially, you definitely need internals and externals of 95+ (as a bare minimum, probably closer to 97+)

 

[quickoats]

there's little to no point of aiming for a state rank tbh - it's a nice bonus at best but won't really boost your atar.

 

[jazz519]

what hsc marks should I be aiming for if I want to state rank in bio (and maybe chem)?

Most years around a 97 is the minimum required for a state rank, but this may not guarantee one as there sometimes where people get the same mark but the state rank is only given to some of them. So to guarantee one it's probably more like 98

 

[jazz519]

wait if they get the same mark, shouldn't they get the same rank?

In HSC this doesn’t always happen, I know from experience as I got a 97 in Adv English and missed out on state rank, even though I saw someone later who had the 97 mark and they got a 14th in state. Other factors go into it described here; https://educationstandards.nsw.edu....tificates/merit-lists/top-achievers-in-course

 

[dasfas]

In bio last year. Over a 1000 people got 90%+, band 6
So you want to be getting over 97 for a chance at state rank

97 was first in state in 2019, 96 state rank

 

[dasfas]

wait if they get the same mark, shouldn't they get the same rank?

No, they then do tie breaking using decimals, or if they are the same to 2dp, they use other indicators, such as the overall quality of the answers, and even handwriting

 

[dasfas]

haha i was spot on for 2019. How do you check what the top mark was?

My school got a lot of the state ranks so we all knew each other and our marks

 

[dasfas]

you got 99 in your hsc chemistry. so did u come first in the state for that?

Hahah no, I messed up one assessment so I wasn't ranked first internally (which is typically required for state ranks).

Going off just trials/hsc exam it would've been either 1st or 2nd in the state though. The guy from my school who ranked 2nd in the state that year got the same mark in the external HSC, lower in trials, but higher overall.

 

[quickoats]

No, they then do tie breaking using decimals, or if they are the same to 2dp, they use other indicators, such as the overall quality of the answers, and even handwriting

lol yeh pretty sure my state rank came from handwriting too

 

[kkk579]

lol yeh pretty sure my state rank came from handwriting too

what did u state rank in?

 

[quickoats]

what did u state rank in?

mx2

 

[kkk579]

mx2

oh damn nice nice, 1st?

 

[quickoats]

oh damn nice nice, 1st?

no. not gonna reveal more bc doxxing but generally 1st needs to have 100% raw

 

[jimmysmith560]

If you get a state rank then do you get a prize money?

I don't believe this is the case. What typically happens is that students who place first in a particular subject are invited to attend a ceremony where they receive a certificate that recognises their achievement. Otherwise, there are no financial benefits to achieving a state rank, irrespective of whether a student places first in one (or more) subjects, or whether they achieve a state rank altogether. If students were to be awarded a particular amount of money for achieving a state rank(s), NESA would have been clear in this regard and would have likely provided further detail in terms of such prizes on their website.

I hope this helps!

 

[dannyo1]

You get a lovely certicficate signed by Dominic Perottet. Aside from that... I guess you could put it on your LinkedIn?

 

[dan964]

If you get a state rank then do you get a prize money?

Short answer, no

 

[satvik_1008]

If you get a state rank then do you get a prize money?

no u dont. if you come first in the state however, you get a nice certificate and a phone call from either the premier, the head of nesa or the education minister.

 

[newbeat]

Most years around a 97 is the minimum required for a state rank, but this may not guarantee one as there sometimes where people get the same mark but the state rank is only given to some of them. So to guarantee one it's probably more like 98

Can you please explain, when 2 people get same marks on what basis NESA choose who should be given state rank? Say 2 people get 97 in HSC Biology and it is a state rank equivalent scores, and only one gets state rank, on what basis this decision would be taken?