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I don't believe we can prove the existence of God, but as you say, if it could be done, I would believe that God exists, why wouldn't I?

You can't, hence there is no reason to believe it

In the words of not-that-bright, "thankyou wise one," for those insightful comments. We are all so much more enlightened for your very useful contributions to this discussion. Of course its easy to justify being agnostic, because it is the most justifiable stance!

This is a supremely nailing question that we have asked, with no reply. In fact I find whenever you ask any religious person "What makes your religion right?" they always stumble, and end up avoiding the question (which is what I'm assuming will happen again).

A Summary Man this thread is like a ravenous virus... please excuse me for trying to contain it to what is relevant when I give the following summary as to what has happened in the last 10 or so pages. It may sound offensive, I'm sorry. But I'm simply attempting to pull this back into...

To enter a school is a lot different, you have a wide choice and you don't have to attend if you don't like their terms. But once you're there and out of the blue you are inhibited unless you sign something, that is quite suspect. I'm just wondering though, what are they providing you in...

Have you seen Justice Heydon's assistant this year? She's fine!

You'd need to see the real contract for starters, but based on the sample, it seems questionable as to them forcing you to sign, less they prevent you from taking up the course. Voluntariness and intent notwithstanding it may even be a form of duress. My advice is, talk to the teachers about...

Simplified: 1. You make requests to what you believe is a God 2. You observe results relating to the fulfilment of those requests 3. God must have fulfilled your requests C. Therefore there is a God Even I have prayed for something and it has happened. But to jump to the conclusion that...

Might I ask who is above God?

I understand But still that's a reason for adopting the belief, not as to the validity of the belief. I mean if I got comfort from believing that I was a millionaire, it does not mean that my belief that I am a millionaire is correct.

I have to reiterate this is not a discussion as to the morality of believing something. We're not going on about tolerance here, we know that, its common sense. The question is, "Does God exist," so there's no need to go on about how people should just let everyone believe what they want, etc.

There seems to be a great deal of spurious talk about how everyone can be right and that its all a matter of interpretation. Whether there is or is not a God is a straightforward proposition that is either true or false. If you believe there is a God, provide a reason. It's very simple! No...

The fifty-seventh time this question has been asked: If you don't have any proof for believing it, why do you believe?

Morality is indepedant from religion, whether you believe in God or not

I know perfectly well the feeling. It is one (though very minor) of the things that keeps me agnostic rather than athiest. However I tend to think it is human instinct to attribute labels, blame, praise and responsibility on things that we don't understand. It makes us feel safer, more...

We don't have to. You have no reason yourself for believing that God exists. I mean I would have expected most religious people to have reasons for their beliefs, but you defy the human capability for rational thought by saying that you believe in God, but you have no reason for believing in...

This sentence, apart from severely damaging your credibility, shows that there is no point in your continued input in this argument. Like we said, if beliefs do not require proof, then why can't we claim that the great goat-God Gorgamel is the ruler of the universe? You're probably going to...

There are a million reasons to live. As I've said before, we don't need our identity handed to us on a platter. There is nothing wrong with giving our own lives meaning ourselves. Yeah! You're right! Why do we need valid grounds for believing something! Who cares about valid grounds! Let's...

You are ignoring our examples by saying they have no relevance, when they clearly do, and the fact you keep ingnoring them lends me to believe they are having a particularly damaging effect on your argument. If you make a claim without backing it up, it is an empty statement. There are no two...