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Thankyou for conceding that the reasons against gay marriage are groundless. I agree. Because? You really ought to back uo your claims with actual arguments. Maybe you haven't been reading everything, but to sum up very briefly: 1. Treating people equally is the right thing to do, unless...

What I am saying is, it is a fallacy of argument to use a controversial premise in your reasoning; the very essence of most religious arguments are centered around the existence of God, ergo the inclusion of a religious rationale cannot contribute to a logical argugment. Arguments that say...

I really liked the beginning of the film - showing Bush's political group having their make-up applied was a nice touch. Sort of symbolises their masks and layers of lies. The presented 'facts' of the film are true. Moore makes certain suggestions based upon those facts as a kind of...

Ah damn I have some catching up to do. I think it'd be expedient if we do a bit of a summary of the most recent points. Summary I. Religion should not be brought into this debate Virtually anything based on God or the Bible uses controversial premises and therefore cannot contribute to...

At UNSW arts/law the structure is like this: Year 1 Arts Year 1 Electives Arts School A - Level 1 courses - 12 UOC Arts School B - Level 1 courses - 12 UOC Arts School C - Level 1 courses - 12 UOC Plus: LAWS1052 Foundations of Law (6 UOC) LAWS1061 Torts (6 UOC) Year 2 Arts...

Like what Minai said, UNSW often denies that NSRL cutoffs even exist - they say that it is the same as the UAI cutoff. Not many people in administration at UNSW seem to know what NRSL cutoffs are, and one woman I spoke to said that even if she was aware of such cutoffs they wouldn't release...

This may take a while, but hey I'm on guilt-free uni holidays, I've got time :) I'll respond in one huge post to those previous posts: Rorix Yes, thats sort of what I'm getting at - there is a lack of equality, rather than a lack of discrimination. But as to the last part - the...

This is a huge straw person fallacy - I never said that. All I said was that we should assume: 1. We ought to do the right thing 2. Treating people equally unless there is a reason not to is the right thing The first premise I'm not going debate in this thread. If you don't agree with the...

How many times do I have to use this quote: Anyway, with respect to religion, please refer to my previous post to Wilmo. On calling someone a "fucktard" you not only lose the respect of everyone here, but you don't add anything constructive at all. You want to express your frustration...

Wilmo: Wilmo, this thread is not about the existence of God. I accept that you have your views, and I believe everyone is entitled to their own spirituality. I am agnostic and therefore do not rule out the existence of a supreme being. However, the existence of God cannot contribute to a...

I just tried to specify what is moral - I said that treating people equally if there is no reason not to is moral. But perhaps the source of my morality is the problem - you are correct that I don't want to get into this because it would be extremely messy, but not for the sake of any...

A Rapid Reply to Rorix I will not post a moral theory here. Instead take it for granted that everyone should be treated equally, unless there is some reason not to. I assume you can at least agree to that. The point I make therefore, is that there is no reason to treat gays differently...

Please don't bring religion into this. The existence of God is a controversial premise and therefore cannot contribute to a logical argument.

Okay, Neo_o, because you don't understand the conventions for argument - you haven't studied it - (I'm not trying to sound like a wanker here, but this is called logic, and to have any successful debate it must be used properly), I'll break down your errors so its easy for you to understand...

Neo_o, it is truly a shame about your prejudice, but its probably not your fault. I've tried to be reasonable here, and I've tried to shed some light on your views, but neo_o, whoever you are, you have a great prejudice against gays which is unfortunately not going to be removed. Even with...

The whole point of this argument is that being judgemental of gays is irrational and morally reprehensible. Once again, I mention that an appeal to majority is a fallacy of argument. What is popular does mean what is right. But even if what you say has merit, the government should be supporting...

No. Incest can often produce severe biological deformities, such as mental retardation, etc. Gay people can't procreate, so I don't see what your point is there. But anyway, there are no rational, moral reasons for banning gay marriages. All you've come up with is that it devalues the...

There are a lot of people who, as mentioned, were raised christian or have some loose tie to the religion, who don't necessarily adopt its beliefs in their day to day lives, or as a whole. Besides which can you stop the pertinacious appeals to majority please? Its a really annoying fallacy of...

The general populace does not necessarily 'want' the winner per se. In fact a lot of the time it is the lessor of two evils.

Yes, it was a pathetic attempt to slander him, which is perhaps not surprising from a homophobic conservative nutcase such as Bill Heffernan. "Heffernan's allegations were discredited and he was forced to apologise and resign his post as Parliamentary Secretary, and was censured by the...