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    Abortion debate

    Erawamai and inner child, put all your emotive arguments about "social dynamics" etc aside. The science (as discussed on this thread earlier) shows that the foetus is a living thing with a consciousness.
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    Abortion debate

    Ok Erawamai, what about murder then? Murder is also an unavoidable consequence of society itself. You outlaw it and it will go underground. So lets give people the choice of murder. We are not saying its right, we are just giving people the choice. In any case it will be a difficult decision for...
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    Abortion debate

    yep, totally agree with this. Another interesting thing is that I saw this pro choice website which claims that 33% of American women have had an abortion by the age of 45. I can understand abortion in SOME circumstances, but 33% is just outrageous. Too many needless abortions I think. Its...
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    Abortion debate

    Look lets just put all the religion and emotional debate aside. Look at the facts already discussed on here: 1. The portion of the brain associated with consciousness (the cerebrum) is identifiable by 4 weeks after fertilisation. 2. Brain wave activity (indicating that the brain is...
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    Abortion debate

    Volume 113 of the American Medical Association Journal states that brain wave activity (indicating that the brain is functioning) is identifiable only 40 days after fertilisation.
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    Abortion debate

    hey, check out this book - Encyclopedia of Human Biology. Academic Press, 1997. Volume 3. It says that the portion of the brain associated with consciousness (the cerebrum) is identifiable by 4 weeks after fertilisation.
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    Abortion debate

    Then instead of having an abortion, she can have the baby and give it away for adoption.
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    Abortion debate

    Wait hang on - what you just said has other implications. Are you saying its not unethical to kill the foetus because it can't survive on its own? Well even after birth, the baby can't survive on its own - its still dependent on its mother to provide it with food etc. This includes nutrients...
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    Abortion debate

    erm...this has NOTHING to do with religion - it's just common sense that the foetus is a living thing. Look at the science - by 4 weeks after fertilisation the foetus has eyes, a beating heart, a central nervous system and infact the part of the brain that controls consciousness is identifiable...
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    RU486 - Abortion Pill

    I'd just like to clear up some misconceptions. Pro abortionists often speak as if RU486/PG abortions are safer. While it is true that earlier surgical abortions are safer than later surgical abortions, owing to the increasing size of the baby and the increasing complexity of the surgical...
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    RU486 - Abortion Pill

    Fact: By the time most abortions can be performed, the baby already has a beating heart and identifiable brain waves. The baby living in her mother is as distinct and unique a new person/human being as you are from me, and as deserving of protection under the law as we are. The baby every...
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    RU486 - Abortion Pill

    and some people think only their opinion is right
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    RU486 - Abortion Pill

    What most people are forgetting is that the thread starter asked, "Should it be legal or illegal to sell this medication over the counter?" I don't think it should be sold over the counter. This is just encouraging both men and women to ignore considering the consequences of their actions. We...
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    Devil Takes Hajj Battle, Beats Vegas Spread

    Does this even make grammatical sense?
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    Abortion debate

    any comments?
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    Abortion debate

    Erawamai, think about it. You are NOT giving an appropriate analogy. You are saying that a woman should be able to get an abortion for economic reasons. This will result in the death of the foetus. How is this related to a doctor compensating a mother? One will result in the death of the child...
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    Abortion debate

    umm...is this even a question? Damage, you are only embarrassing yourself by comparing a potential human life to cancer. You quite clearly take life for granted. Only a person who is losing the argument would resort to such tactics as personally insulting her/his opponent. No, for...
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    Abortion debate

    NO to the contrary he is actually winning the argument. Isn't it just illogical to put the financial status of the mother (money) above the LIFE of the child? Money over Life? This is just ridiculous!
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