Socialism,Facism,Communism,Nazism & Capitalism (2 Viewers)

[Not-That-Bright]

Just figured i'd open a thread to talk about the differences... such as with Facism, is it really the extreme of the right wing governments we see at the moment? If you listen to musillini talking about facism, i'd say not.
IMO, howard & bush etc follow capitalism.

 

[berghousemaa]

Just figured i'd open a thread to talk about the differences... such as with Facism, is it really the extreme of the right wing governments we see at the moment? If you listen to musillini talking about facism, i'd say not.
IMO, howard & bush etc follow capitalism.

In my opinion, Communism and Facism are both products of teh extreme left. The Facists cleverly promoted themselves as right wing to differentiate themselves from the hated Slavic people of Eastern Europe who were currently COmmunist.

Capitalism is actually the odd one out. It is a form of economy and not a system of government.
Facism is to monarchies as Capatilism is to Feudalism.

Capitalism has been the strongest performing economic system because it appeals to human insticts of greed and envy and the desire to accumulate.
Feudalism and Communism and all other systems largely limited this.

 

[Mm_cookies]

the whole modern history subject on the weekend is just two depressing!!!!!

 

[Not-That-Bright]

berghousma: I recommend this book very strongly, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...6685/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_74_4/102-4049749-9778512
From the Publisher
The purpose of this book is to show that Marx's central accusation against capitalism -- that it enables capitalists to become wealthy only via their exploitation of laborers, by extracting from them unpaid "surplus value" -- is a fallacy.

The Case Against Capital is a serious and well argued attack on Marx's economic thinking; a very serious contribution to Marxist scholarship.

 

[mr EaZy]

ah.... who what is IMO?

nice thread btw

 

[alien]

ah.... who what is IMO?

nice thread btw

ditto everyone says 'IMO' and i have no idea what it means
lol

 

[Not-That-Bright]

That was so badly a copy/paste job

IMO - In My Opinion.

 

[alien]

THANKS!
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Not-That-Bright again.

 

[berghousemaa]

On an expanded note. What system of government does everybody prefer.
Democracy, Oligarchy, Autocracy, ochlocracy, monarchy, Communism, Facism and everything I didn't think of off the top of my head.

I frankly don't think democracy works. Every govt only looks to the next election meaning little progress is made for long term benefits. ie The Americans are unwilling to rein in Israel, don't push up oil prices, doesn't persue gun control etc etc.

I reckon benevolant dictatorship, with a dictator elected from an aristocracy.
In my view if people actually think the class above them is superior then they are more inclined to follow but this has all sorts of problems you can all attack me on.
I get this view from traditional armies which were led by the ruling elite. The British armies of the 19th Century for example were formed from the absoloute dregs of society but were led by the elite and they were one of the greatest fighting forces assembled.

 

[hello99999]

On an expanded note. What system of government does everybody prefer.
Democracy, Oligarchy, Autocracy, ochlocracy, monarchy, Communism, Facism and everything I didn't think of off the top of my head.

democracy isn't perfect but it's probably the best option.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

A Capitalist Democracy is the best option as it gives so much freedom to the citizens... no other government does that.

 

[SashatheMan]

Actually, it wasn't.

I typed it out myself because it wasn't on my PC.

But that deosn't mean it's not true.

yeh i tihnk u typed it up cuase i can see lots of mistakes.


go russian communism lol

 

[loquasagacious]

Demoractic Socialism (as defined in the communist manifesto).

 

[Comrade nathan]

In my opinion, Communism and Facism are both products of teh extreme left. The Facists cleverly promoted themselves as right wing to differentiate themselves from the hated Slavic people of Eastern Europe who were currently COmmunist.

The fascist tried to promote themselves as rightist by calling their parties things like "National Socialist Party"? That doesn't make much sense. They gave speaches about being socialist.

They never once stated they were right wing.

It is rather they used socialism names to implement right wing policies.

Capitalism has been the strongest performing economic system because it appeals to human insticts of greed and envy and the desire to accumulate.

Where was the human instict of greed during the time primitave communism. Also in many aboriginal societies before European colonalism there was bits of primitave communism, besides the hierarchy.

Social conditions deteremines mans conscious.

 

[tintin12]

Take a bit from socialism, free-market capitalism and add democracy, and you have a pretty good system there.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Comrad nathan, read musilini's speech on facism... it sounds almost exactly like how the left is today.
Facism was pretty much socialist, but they wanted to distance themselves from the socialist nations of eastern europe.

 

[berghousemaa]

The fascist tried to promote themselves as rightist by calling their parties things like "National Socialist Party"? That doesn't make much sense. They gave speaches about being socialist.

They never once stated they were right wing.

It is rather they used socialism names to implement right wing policies.



Where was the human instict of greed during the time primitave communism. Also in many aboriginal societies before European colonalism there was bits of primitave communism, besides the hierarchy.

Social conditions deteremines mans conscious.

True they never did say themselves as right or left, however they did claim they were the opposite of Bolschevism.

And as to your second point that's pretty simplistic. Aboriginal societies were I guess primitive communism but they lived a horrible existence and any book claiming "noble savage" is distroting the truth. I said capatalism is the best performing and if you wish to claim otherwise I'd be interested to hear.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

The difference i find between capitalism and every other type of governance is that it is true freedom.
There is no government control of the money, i mean socialists try to say they're the champions of the people but they don't even trust people with their own money.

 

[loquasagacious]

Democartic socialists trust people with money however they don't trust business' with money, Unlike communists.

Yes the Nazi's were National Socialists, and the 27 (or thereabouts programme) did include socialist ideas, however the other hald of the programme was composed of nationalist ideas. These parts of the programme were enacted, socialist aspects were largely ignored (Hitler even denounced them himself) so much so that discontent brewed among the ranks and leadership of the SA. They believed that the nationalist part of the revolution had been accomplished and that now a second revolution should come to enact the socialist plans. On the night of the long knives the leadership of the SA were arrested and later killed and the SA subdued. Socialism in the Third Reich was truly dead.

The socialist aspects existed in the first place to attract workers, they were pure advertisement. Even when it was clear they would not be enacted they remained on the programme as Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf the programme should never be chnaged lest the populace think that there was indecision or indecisive-ness.

 

[Comrade nathan]

i mean socialists try to say they're the champions of the people but they don't even trust people with their own money.

The don't trust the capitalist with capital.