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Re: 2012 HSC MX2 Marathon

The skill to using the reverse chain rule
is to be very good at recognising powers of
functions and their derivatives.
 

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You can do it.

Other attempts pl0x. I like this question.
I enjoyed the question too - I did the rest of it last night after skipping the first part (which I still can't get :()
 

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I did the rest of it last night after skipping the first part (which I still can't get :()
Substitute y=mx+c into the equation of the semi-ellipse and make a quadratic in terms of x.

Let the discriminant be equal to zero and after a whole lot of algebra, you should get the solution.

However, I do not understand why m < 0 is a condition. I do not see why positive gradients are excluded as possible tangents.

This is only the case if we purely consider the first quadrant of the Ellipse in canonical form and the equation you provided covers the first 2 quadrants.
 

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Substitute y=mx+c into the equation of the semi-ellipse and make a quadratic in terms of x.

Let the discriminant be equal to zero and after a whole lot of algebra, you should get the solution.

However, I do not understand why m < 0 is a condition. I do not see why positive gradients are excluded as possible tangents.

This is only the case if we purely consider the first quadrant of the Ellipse in canonical form and the equation you provided covers the first 2 quadrants.
That's exactly what I was struggling with (why m<0), I got the rest of it, I just assumed I was missing something since Spiral's almost always correct and nobody else had mentioned anything.
 

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m<0 only applies for 0 < x < a which isn't a condition, so why is m<0?
 

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The equation of the ellipse is the top semi-ellipse
Covering the first two quadrants. Now when you sub
Y=mx+c into semi ellipse and form a quadratic in x
The y int of the tangent must be positive otherwise
It can't be a tangent to the top semi ellipse so c>0, now
As for m<0 there is only one possible way this can
Occur and that is if the x coordinate of the point of
Contact of the tangent is positive. This is deduced if
You find the x value of the point of contact using
The double root method, and this shows the x value of the
Poiny of contact is positive if m<0 otherwise the x value
Will be negative, so this condition for m can't occur unless
The tangent interests in the first quadrant
 

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Spirals question is flawed for the m condition
The way it is worded
 

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derivative is taken to apply double root method for solving to find x value of point of contact.
 

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MOAR CONICS!!

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what is the best method of graphing 1/f(x) graphs? for example 1/sinx?
 

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First graph f(x) then using that graph y=1/f(x)
 

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what is the best method of graphing 1/f(x) graphs? for example 1/sinx?
f(x) represents the y values and 1/f(x) means 1 over every y value. So you use limits as f(x) appraoches 0 and infinity and
note when f(x) equals 0 there becomes vertical asymptotes. Also the turning points on f(x) stay the same, only the y value changes
and the type of turning point reverses
 

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I thought I posted by solution for that, guess I'll do it now :p.



 

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Try to do it using only HSC content. The solution arrives quicker though it might be trickier to figure out.
 

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question kinda hints to use GP

Noting that for , see that:


Assuming interchangeability between integral and summation, the result follows easily.
 

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